Informational purposes only! Helping Your Wife Heal 30%off
By byourownhero
12/1/2010 4:06:13 PM
40% OFF all DVD's and CD's*
30% OFF Helping Her Heal
30% OFF all Books
Now through Wednesday December 8, 2010

If you had a chance to read BARM's comments on his experience with the Helping Your Wife Heal DVD, this is a good opportunity to save with that purchase.

The FINAL FREEDOM 5 SET CD , is amazing also and with the discount it is only about $21. This CD set is like going to one of his 3 day intensives. Therapy in a box. I attended a 3 day and I have listened to this set. It will give you tools to heal.

I share this information only in the hope to share recovery experiences:

Shopping Cart or the order confirmation email will not reflect your discount. All orders with "Christmas Sale" will be given the discount. Your sales receipt included with your order will be the only receipt that will reflect your discount.
*Sale DOES NOT include Steps to Sexual Health, Somebody's Daughter, sets, audio downloads, video downloads, eBooks, downloads from the website or products by other authors
If you order through our secure shopping cart please put
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*If products by other authors are ordered at the same time the full price for their materials will be charged
If you call 719-278-3708 let us know that you want the sale price
Sale does not include any previously ordered material

From his free weekly news letter:

PS... I have ordered and when you order online the discount does not show on your receipt. A little dis concerning. But as they say it does show when you receive the order. And the discount shows on your credit card statement. That was my experiencre.


Do not miss out! If you are interested.    
"Read Angelmom and BARM."
posted at 16:28:00 on December 1, 2010 by byourownhero
Huh tried to check it out...    
"But Cov Eyes did its magic and told me Weiss is EVIL!!!!!
Just kidding, have to wait for the misses and we can check it out later tonight.

One thing for sure Cov Eyes works for healing!"
posted at 10:07:31 on December 2, 2010 by ruggaexpat
This is a SPAM post.    
"What is your cut, BYOUROWNHERO, 10% ?"
posted at 11:21:19 on December 2, 2010 by Anonymous
Just call the number anon!    
"You could really benefit! No 10%.? I do not work that cheep! We split 50/50! Ha ha ha! Like he really needs me. Not! But there are plenty here who could benefit from the recovery tools he has to offer. I personally hate that the sisters who are working on recover like their life depends on it, and it does. These amazing sisters keep having to pick themselves up because their spouses SLIP. ARP is amazing I love it. But the sexual addicts are not receiving tools that will help them specific to sexual addiction recovery. Final Freedom give sex addicts those tools. So be A Real Man anon if you are a man. Do all you can do to recover. Then come talk to me. I say these things with hope and love for all. Printed words do not express tone!

Read the 13th Article of Faith!"
posted at 13:12:07 on December 2, 2010 by Byourownhero
From one anon to another anon    
"The wicked take the truth to be hard... Repent and be healed!"
posted at 15:55:37 on December 2, 2010 by Anonymous
OK HERO, BARM TIME TO SAVE ME WITH ADVICE... **********WARNING**************    
"Here is the deal.

I want to see what DR Evil is all about and so I am planning on buying some of his stuff. I want to read practical stuff that will help me develop a new way of loving. I am stuck in a rut now, feeling like I am not progressing as much as I would like to on the loving side of things. I looked at the site and felt like there is just so much there and I do not want to waste my cash.

I struggle with that intimacy anorexia thing but I don't just want a book that tells me I have a problem and quotes stats to prove a point. I want something that I can work with my wife on and myself. I know I have a problem feeling and meeting emotional intimacy needs of my wife and empathy in general. I would say I am an extreme case and this is hard stuff to master for me. I am ready, willing and ready to give anything a go.
I have plenty marriage books on the shelf and most are gospel centered from deseret but nothing very practical or work book like.

I can do with some helping my wife heal stuff too. I think I am well versed in the theory of it as I have spent almost a year on this site exchanging with you guys here and done some reading and got actual couples therapy. I just need the icing on the cake so to speak to remember the pain I caused and never forget it.

So in a nutshell, I am an emotional challenged dude and need to make the step up like your husband did. What worked for him and in my case what do you recommend?"
posted at 19:20:21 on December 7, 2010 by ruggaexpat
Please tell me before tomorrow for that sale.    
posted at 19:22:58 on December 7, 2010 by ruggaexpat
"Warning" Books & DVDs    
"For those of you who don't want to hear about Dr. Weiss stop reading now!

For those who do not fear the truth, read on!

These are the materials I have that help me learn how to heal my relationship with God and my wife. Depending upon finances, this is the priority order I would purchase as well.

1. Helping Her Heal - DVD

2. For Intimacy Anorexia
- Healing the Hiddent Addiction in Your Marriage (book)
- The DVD
- The Workbook (106 Exercises)
- The Steps (12 Steps workbook)

3. The Final Freedom (book and 101 exercises workbook)

The "Helping Her Heal" DVD made the biggest difference in my understanding and realization of personal responsibility. It contains specific things to do in order to begin the healing in your relationship. You saw my notes - the DVD has a lot more.

The Intimacy Anorexia stuff is task based. Perfect to work on a little each day.

The Final Freedom book is good reading to understand your addiction on a personal level. His writing is no-nonsense and straight up - just the way I like. The workbook gives you specific tasks to do - one a day or one a week, whatever works for you.

D&C 88:118
Proverbs 1:7
Psalms 118:6"
posted at 23:44:26 on December 7, 2010 by BARM
"BARM. Gave you the right scoop. I would add the Final Feedom 5 CD. This set is truly recovery in a box. Many of my sisters who have given this to their unrecovering husbands have thanked me. Their husbands have said,"Wow this guy really knows what he is talking about. "
All the emotional issues? Get all the Intimacy Anorexia info suggested in Item 2. above!

Will love to hear your book report Rugga! Better yet, I cannot wait to hear your wife tell us about the amazing emotional, spiritual and physical Ruggaman she is married to. ; )

Love and Prayers
posted at 00:08:47 on December 8, 2010 by Anonymous
"It was late last night. I thought i should mention:
There is a recovery packet for Christian Couples. It is usually already discounted and sometimes not included in the sales. That packet includes the The Final Freedom book and the 101 exercises, and the 12 step resource for the addict and the Partners, Healing from His Addiction, 101 exercises, 12 step for partners. (6) books.
Give them a call at the number listed above to verify sale on this packet.

Remember you have to list OR TELL THEM, CHRISTMAS SALE

for Couples: Intimacy

Spouses: The books listed in the recovery packet for partners, also Now That I know What Do I Do,(DVD) and Partner to Partner, DVD.

Note: I just received my copy of the How to Help Your Wife Heal and started viewing it last night. I have not gotten through it all yet but what I did see about 40% of the first DVD, I was so impressed. Dr. Weiss nailed this. Just hearing him discuss what the wife is dealing with and how she feels was so validating for me. I cannot wait for my husband to watch.

posted at 09:39:44 on December 8, 2010 by Anonymous
Oh, come on guys    
"We all love you, and we understand that you are trying to pass on what works for YOU. Thanks for doing that.

But let's avoid the digs, please! Just because we don't like to get bombarded with advertising doesn't mean we "fear the truth." We're all on the same team here.

posted at 10:08:41 on December 8, 2010 by BeClean
They DID warn you.    
"You have Weissaphobia. Don't worry. It's treatable. You simply avoid the posts with the warnings."
posted at 12:25:05 on December 8, 2010 by Anonymous
Diggity dig dug digading dong do da dig dug dong dong dingaling ding dug    
"I'm going to post as an Anon because that's how others do when they want to hide their fake online name. (can't figure out why they do that though... it's a fake name!)

Just having a little fun with the fear thing after those ridiculous posts earlier - I want to be really clear on what's being posted so no one is surprised by the information.

I realize that everyone's at a difference place in their recovery. Some materials may help one person, but have little or no effect on another.

At the end of the day, the proof is in the pudding, as they say. If it works for you, hallelujah! Shout it from the housetops and share with others.

Likewise, I think it's a great tragedy when the discussion degenerates into bickering and backbiting. None of us should be participating in that if we're truly trying to become disciples of Christ. (See Elder Neil L. Anderson's talk from the October 2010 General Conference - particularly the part about being offended. />
That's what is great about agency - you can choose what you want. I pray that others may see hope in what I'm experiencing and then find their own way to the healing power of the Atonement.

That's why I'm on this blog - to give hope and to receive hope in my personal recovery.

-- BARM"
Argumentative fallacy (straw man)    
"I'm going to have to agree with ol Beclean on this one Barm. Kindof lame. No one that i've seen is against Weiss's principal neither are they kicking against the dc 88:118 proverbs 1:7 psalms 118:6 pricks as you seemed to imply. Or is my inference incorrect? If its not incorrect I say bad form.

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:

1. Person A presents position X.
2. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X)
3. Person B attacks position Y.
4. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.

Just because Weiss is not hailing us to come buy wine and milk without money and without price and some feel uncomfortable with the way its offered and the bargin does not mean anyone is not ready for the truth. You may as well say they are all terrible drawers.

A lot a these fools are further along then you or I. It think its understandable that some are not as enamored by your strides or with Dr. Weiss as Angel ect. I'm just saying this cause i want you to stick around and maybe thought I could perhaps present a little clearer picture of at least where I see people coming from. Aside from that I am Switzerland."
posted at 14:40:17 on December 8, 2010 by They speak
Thanks, They Speak    
"Nothing more to say."
posted at 15:04:55 on December 8, 2010 by Anonymous
"Anonymous posters are where all the truly valuable information comes from. Haven't you noticed that? We post anonymously because most of us are General Authorities or other public figures. If I got a screen name it would only be a matter of time before you guys figured out that I am Dr. Phil."
posted at 15:24:29 on December 8, 2010 by Anonymous
"D. Phil? you got nothing. I am Elvis."
posted at 15:49:46 on December 8, 2010 by Anonymous
Oh my soul    
"Guys read or listen to the damn stuff or stick to what works for you.
I am taking a dig into it because HERO is without doubt full of hope and faith for her husband and she has been around the pain-go-round enough times to give me an idea of how to help my loved ones. Thats it plain and simple.

So next subject to argue on? Just kidding - Hate blog contention"
posted at 16:02:34 on December 8, 2010 by ruggaexpat
Anonymous posters are where all the truly valuable info comes from??????    
"That has got to be the joke of the century - A true classic."
posted at 16:07:50 on December 8, 2010 by ruggaexpat
"You said, " ARP is amazing I love it. But the sexual addicts are not receiving tools that will help them specific to sexual addiction recovery. " Really? Does that go for the church's PASG group or Sexaholics Anonymous,too? So it's this Dr. Weiss guy or bust?

That's not been my experience. I'm glad you've found some recovery. I agree that the spouses are grossly unsupported in our church but where we part ways is where you start telling us what an addict needs to recover. I have 11 years clean and I've never even heard of Dr. Weiss.

You have a lot to offer in the things you've learned. It's too bad it's lost on your plugs of Dr. Weiss."
posted at 21:09:50 on December 8, 2010 by Anonymous
"You are correct, "The proof IS in the pudding" and the "pudding" in my opinion is "longevity"."
posted at 23:32:18 on December 8, 2010 by Anonymous
I believe you are misunderstanding    
"Dear Anon,

Once again, we and HERO have NEVER said that recovery from addiction cannot happen without Dr. Weiss. Someone is stuck on an untruth and it is a disservice to those who are looking for additional tools. ALL SALVATION IS FREE AND CANNOT BE BOUGHT WITH MONEY. WE NEVER SUGGESTED THAT. Please be fair because you are misleading those who have not followed our posts. BARM did not find salvation in Colorado , he found a good Christian man teaching something new and amazing.

If you read HERO’s, BARM’s or my posts, you will see that the 2 things that are completely absent in the Church's ARP and PASG programs, as well as the S-Anon programs is recovery from something called Intimacy Anorexia. It is not offered in these programs because it is something Dr. Weiss has discovered through 20+ years of research and experience working with addicts and their spouses. The addicts are recovering, from Mast/ porn/sex addictions However, some addicts are still very sick are starving their spouses of the intimate relationship they crave and deserve. Addiction recovery does not fix the intimacy problems many still have. The other thing that is missing is the help and healing for spouses. “How to Help Her Heal” does not exist anywhere, and is for men like Rugga ( sorry, first name that comes to mind), who are desperately searching for direct answers to help heal their wives broken hearts.

We are all aware that this addiction is not gender specific. However, most addicts are men and Dr. W is reaching these men spiritually (he works with everyone from Christians to Muslims and everything in between). He is teaching them about becoming real men of God (Buddha, Mohamed, whatever) and taking responsibility of leading their homes with the power of God, no excuses whatsoever. His style is direct, yet respectful. No sugar poured on top. We have never seen this anywhere. I attend one or more meetings per week (I also make and take many calls for daily support). When we share this information with others, we are told by women and by men, that they have never heard this before. I WAS NEVER VALIDATED, NEVER!!! It was always Him focused, heal the addict,. I am now validated on a daily basis and it is not hard for him. I cannot tell you what that is doing for me and my family. It is so simple and amazing. So often I see wives taking part of the responsibility for the addiction, and husbands openly or secretly blaming wives. This is wrong and Dr. W drives that home. There is too much to post, but amazing validating stuff for wives. Whiney men won’t get this. So if you want to keep focusing on you, you won’t get this. Fighting and an addiction won’t heal it. Complete surrender to God and your wife. I always understand the God part, but Wife? Wow, amazing. BARM says liberating beyond belief. We are both so blessed by this.

I love the PASG program with all of my heart. I am a convert to the church and have been involved in 12 step programs long before I joined the Church. I love the 12 step process. I believe it works. I work my steps daily with hope in the future. Having said this, there is still so much to do to help the women. One reason I thank My Heavenly Father daily for this program is because it gave me my sisters in Zion to share my secrets with. I was alone, and now I am not. I love it!!!

AGAIN, Dr. Weiss is not for everyone, we get it, and really we do. However, it is for someone. Much of his information is unique, new, and exciting! I guess it would be for those like us who are looking for more. So for those whose lives are full and working for them, this is not for you.

I really do not understand the anger firestorm behind this. I have seen people talk about other programs, books, and have not seen any anger. I hope I have put this to rest as far as BARM and myself and our intentions.


Again, Salvation is FREE!!!! But sometimes (not always) some help and treatment are needed and there is nothing wrong with people making money, lots of money in their chosen professions.

Trust in the Lord in all things. This is not one size fits all. Pray, pray, pray always and be lead. We are all sent on different paths for different reasons and I have a testimony of this.

I love everyone on this blog. I pray daily and place your names on the prayer rolls of the Temple every time I attend.

posted at 00:10:03 on December 9, 2010 by angelmom
I feel ya    
"But if salvation is free why would someone tell people "you can have anything in this world with money?" i.e. come to colorado and be healed.

Maybe that's droping it a little heavy on the reducto ad absurdum. But I just think some aren't hip to money factor. And some won't agree that there isn't anything wrong with making tons a money in your choosen profession (even though thats a fantastically typical mormon m.o.)...but I'm about to start getting all "Im visiting Lenins tome for christmas" and "Dr. Weiss is just another psychologist after the order of the Nehors" and making all kinds a non sense so whateva.

Oh...and for the record I personally am totally cool with what you've posted and I'm still looking into it...even if I do think Weiss is a dirty Babylonian.

Aside from that I just thought the "fear the truth" jab and the subsequent scriptures which, when coupled with the jab, appeared condescending were kindof lame and miss directed. Sorry Angel. To quote Crushed in effect I think if we all sat down together right now we'd all have a good chat and get along swimmingly."
posted at 00:43:50 on December 9, 2010 by They speak
Outside help has its place    
"I don't know about Dr. Weiss, but I'm pretty positive that I wouldn't be where I'm at in my recovery without rehab and LifeStar. Before I went to rehab, I got on a chat site and in less than 30 minutes was giving my adress and directions to a guy whose name I didn't know. He came to my house twice. I needed to be somewhere where I couldn't anything that risky and stupid, so I went to rehab. I wish I had been more ready for recovery and better able to see that I needed to completely let go of my ex-husband, but it was still a good experience for me and kept me out of trouble. LifeStar has had a HUGE impact on where I'm at in my recovery now. It is built for couples, but is good for single people too, and definitely helps wives recover and heal as well. Sometimes people need help putting the 12 steps into practice or help healing the underlying issues that caused us to become addicts in the first place."
posted at 03:00:39 on December 9, 2010 by dstanley
"They Speak,

What are you drinking ? On a bad day, I might just want to get me some of that.

Plenty of folks drop money on stuff and have no prob. Let's say on prostitutes. But a couple of bucks on help for addiction, nah a waste of money I guess.

Remember, you can buy anything in this world for money, right. Help from any clinic vs Herpies.

I guess it's a no brainer for some."
posted at 07:48:12 on December 9, 2010 by Anonymous
Scriptures and questions    
"If I know BARM, I think he was kinda kidding with the scriptures.

They Speak, I have a couple of sincere questions and I am hoping you will not be offended. My heart is very full of concern for you when I ask these questions.

You’re are obvious incredibly intelligent. Your thinking is on a different level than mine. We often hear about you and your pain, happiness, successes, insights and downfalls. Yet we rarely hear about your wife and how this affects her. Does she even know about all of this stuff? This must be so hard on her. What are you doing to help her heal form all of the damage you have caused? Next, have you ever been evaluated by a Doctor? You sometimes remind me of my son in what you say on this post. He too is very witty and funny. He is also Manic and one of the many reasons he is staying clean is that after 3 diagnoses of manic, he finally agreed to medication. The porn and all that comes with it, was his previous form of self medication. He said it has helped so much with his racing thoughts and compulsive behavior. It does not fix the addiction; he still gives that over to the Lord and works his program daily. I am just wondering if something like that might help to clear the clouds and help you get back into sobriety and stay there.

Again, not meant to offend, I can see that you are not in a good place and I am trying to help.

It took a lot of years for me to put down my pride and face the truth that my son has manic/ depression and I know that seeing the truth and accepting it has helped him allot.

You have been through much and your addiction has often been out of control. I really pray on bended knee for you, especially when you fall, or are down.

Just care about what happens to you and your wife.

posted at 10:06:49 on December 9, 2010 by angelmom
Pff (anon)    
"Ya witty *******. If I haven't heard that lame overly recycled joke 10,000 times from every oblivious Forrest Gump functioning jock since high school I've never heard a joke in my life. Do you people still think that's cleaver? Or just getting lazy?

If you must know I'm drinking gin and juice with Dr. Dre and Snoop Dog. And Im just not sure you're "laid back" enough to handle that on a bad day

As far as your retarded follow up comment Did I say it was a waist of money? I don't remeber saying it was a waist of money. Especially compared to prostitutes??

Angel I'll get back to you. That's gonna take some time and thought"
posted at 14:11:10 on December 9, 2010 by They speak
@They Speak    
"If you want you can talk to me about why I made the choice. I really don't like being dependent on the medication, but then again I'm totally dependent on Christ. So I guess I'll just suck it up.

No suggestion or judgement intendended. Mom says that we're similar so I just figured we could chat about how hard those crazy feelings are.

P.S. I know I'm going on a mission, but if you could get me in with Snoop or some other acting big wigs so I could get into acting, would be really cool.

@Angel: Don't you know BARM cause he's kinda your husband? Or am I just missing the sarcasm there?"
posted at 14:28:34 on December 9, 2010 by Preemie
We still got this one going...    
"There is so much tounge in cheek going on here that many are missing.
Its not a train smash that we cannot all agree.
So on that note

I am right and you are all soooooooo wrong.
I sat beside my wife and we bought some material of Dr Weis well maybe a bit too much but I guess I can really tell you guys in a few weeks if this is the real deal or not to help her heal.

For clarification I did not buy finding freedom as I feel as free as a bird. I bought for me:
Helping her heal - Loved what I saw out of Barms post
Intamacy anorexia (book and workbook)

Wife got stuff she wanted.

So the goal is to make those around me FEAST ON MY LOVE!
That sounds so lame but there you have it.
Follow up on this thread in 2 months."
posted at 14:35:43 on December 9, 2010 by ruggaexpat
Bon Appetite    
"Oh, lucky them :)

I can't wait to hear what you think.

The only suggestion I have is to watch the "How to help Her Heal' DVD alone. It is what BARM took notes on. It is best to be alone because you will be able to think with your own brain instead of thinking "what is she thinking/feeling".

Enjoy the feast!!!

posted at 16:28:06 on December 9, 2010 by Anonymous
Cool, Rugga!    
"I am definitely looking forward to hearing Rugga's wife's take on the Dr.

BeClean likes to BeClear (only one letter difference): I have absolutely no problem with much of the pro-Weiss message. I'm especially excited that it worked for the BARM family. I was simply uncomfortable with the way Hero pushed it constantly in almost every single one of her posts, and when the BARM family came back excited about it, she tried to encourage them to push it even harder. I am super happy to hear how it works for the BARM family and for the Rugga family. I just want to hear more about the Hero family and the Hero person other than just constantly, "Dr. Weiss this, and Dr. Weiss that..."

So, I KNOW I probably didn't say what I meant to say in that last paragraph. Let me try one more time: I personally want to hear everyone's experiences and thoughts. And I want to hear Hero's beautiful piano/melody of experiences--all 88 keys. I was getting frustrated that for a while she was only playing 1 key: "middle Dr. Weiss." I'm perfectly happy to hear that note played (even frequently) in the middle of a grand musical concert. But I'm uncomfortable when I go to a concert and the pianist decides to hammer only on her favorite note.

PS Rugga--weren't blogs created to generate the most contention possible? Without it, we'd never get posts with 50 or 60 comments! I think it would be incredibly boring if we all understood each other perfectly. Someone is bound to misunderstand this comment...but I hope not."
posted at 18:44:17 on December 9, 2010 by beclean
Right on Beclear    
"I have had a few good chuckles recently on the Weiss subject and have a lot of enjoyment exchanging with you guys.
Seriously it is as if I know you guys well now and we all wake up for our daily discussion. You guys are a great blessing to me and have helped me change my life is more ways than you can imagine. I honestly like the banter back and forth because I think I learn a great deal. There are so many great people here and I have told myself OK chill down on the ARP blog but it is a part of my daily life now.

I don't know that I need it as much as I did before but I just like the community and want to be a part of it. I want to recover so bad I want it more than anything and more so I want my loved ones to have it too.

I do not want this blog to be an addiction now either. Where's that healthy balance?"
posted at 19:39:25 on December 9, 2010 by ruggaexpat
I love banter    
"Honest disagreement is often a good sign of progress. -Mahatma Gandhi

I agree Rugg. Sometimes I can't remeber if I'm on facebook or here. I'm addicted! I need to cool out. That's really what I ment on my blog where I said I don't know how much im going to be around. I may get ride of my phone. I live in my phone as much as I live in my head (same dif) sometimes and for the addict (me) I think that may be bad news. But I do get a lot out of this. And I love going back and seein what the hell I was thinking a few months ago and weighing it against today."
posted at 20:36:40 on December 9, 2010 by They speak
Be clean leave my Hero alone    
"This is crushed not happy that my dear Hero is being criticised still. I liked and needed everything she said and especially about dr weiss. Pls Hero do not change. It really helped me. Guys, pls remember that something that does not help you may help someone else! Read on and do not pressure someone to change to suit your needs. There are so many different people here with needs different from yours. I will never ask you to change what your are sharing because it is not helpful to me, I remember that it might be helpful to someone else and moove on. What Hero has shared has helped many many people and I have no doubt she has felt inspired to share it because some of us needed it. Again if you do not like it, read on.
I say this lovingly but with a concern that Hero and others will not feel free to share because some of you don't like it. Hero's stuff and Angel's have helped me more than anything else I have read on this site. I appreciated all the councils from Dr. Weiss and not wish for her to play anything else if that is what she feels she must share.
posted at 21:35:56 on December 9, 2010 by Anonymous
Thanks, Crushed    
"for your thoughts."
posted at 21:48:53 on December 9, 2010 by BeClean
"E mail me son.

I've done the drugs and rocked alotta different avenues. But wouldn't mind chatin at all. You can facebook me too if ya want. Put an ugly mug to the person. As long as you can keep your gd mouth shut ;) 'd love to see ya off on the ol mish if you're in my neck. Maybe even meet the fam. I'm not as bigga creep as I act. Well I am. But I'm not too :)"
posted at 22:30:46 on December 9, 2010 by They speak
"Uhhh, I think the whole thing was resolved. You're the one who brought contention back."
posted at 23:39:37 on December 9, 2010 by Anonymous

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