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Desire vs temptation
By Hopeful1
4/6/2014 11:14:42 AM
I have a question of definitions
I have no desire to look at porn or act out. It's been a long time since I gave that up and I like how I feel without it. That is what motivates me to stay clean...the freedom and peace I feel without it. But the temptations don't stop. I believe the temptations will always be there. As I grow in strength those temptations have less and less power over me, but Satan will never stop trying....he will never stop tempting. After all Christ was tempted too right? To say I'm tempted does not mean I want to sin. My wife says I should have no more desire to do evil if I'm truly repentant. I say I am repentant and changed but the temptation doesn't stop, Satan doesn't stop. I think she defines temptation and desire as the same. Any thoughts on this?

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Scriptures    
"All people are tempted. Being tempted is a part of this life and we are given agency to choose. Even Christ was tempted. Through Christ we are able to ignore the temptation and be delivered from it, but Satan won't stop until we are dead. Children cannot be tempted until accountable. Moses was tempted but having seen God he knew how to tell the difference between Satan and God. When someone learns that difference, Satan can tempt us but we will cast him out and choose God who brings peace and freedom.

Temptation
Mosiah 3:7 And lo, he shall suffer temptations, and pain of body, hunger, thirst, and fatigue, even more than man can suffer, except it be unto death; for behold, blood cometh from every pore, so great shall be his anguish for the wickedness and the abominations of his people.

Matthew 4:Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Alma 7:11 And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people.

Alma 13:28 But that ye would humble yourselves before the Lord, and call on his holy name, and watch and pray continually, that ye may not be tempted above that which ye can bear, and thus be led by the Holy Spirit, becoming humble, meek, submissive, patient, full of love and all long-suffering;

Alma 34:39 Yea, and I also exhort you, my brethren, that ye be watchful unto prayer continually, that ye may not be led away by the temptations of the devil, that he may not overpower you, that ye may not become his subjects at the last day; for behold, he rewardeth you no good thing.

3 Nephi 18:25 And ye see that I have commanded that none of you should go away, but rather have commanded that ye should come unto me, that ye might feel and see; even so shall ye do unto the world; and whosoever breaketh this commandment suffereth himself to be led into temptation.

Mormon 9:28 Be wise in the days of your probation; strip yourselves of all uncleanness; ask not, that ye may consume it on your lusts, but ask with a firmness unshaken, that ye will yield to no temptation, but that ye will serve the true and living God.

D&C 9:13 Do this thing which I have commanded you, and you shall prosper. Be faithful, and yield to no temptation.

D&C 20:22 He suffered temptations but gave no heed unto them.

D&C 29:39 And it must needs be that the devil should tempt the children of men, or they could not be agents unto themselves; for if they never should have bitter they could not know the sweet—

D&C 29:47 Wherefore, they cannot sin, for power is not given unto Satan to tempt little children, until they begin to become accountable before me;

D&C 62:1 BEHOLD, and hearken, O ye elders of my church, saith the Lord your God, even Jesus Christ, your advocate, who knoweth the weakness of man and how to succor them who are tempted.

D&C 95:1 VERILY, thus saith the Lord unto you whom I love, and whom I love I also chasten that their sins may be forgiven, for with the chastisement I prepare a way for their deliverance in all things out of temptation, and I have loved you—

D&C 112:13 And after their temptations, and much tribulation, behold, I, the Lord, will feel after them, and if they harden not their hearts, and stiffen not their necks against me, they shall be converted, and I will heal them.

James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

1 Cor 13:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Moses 1:12 And it came to pass that when Moses had said these words, behold, Satan came tempting him, saying: Moses, son of man, worship me.
13 And it came to pass that Moses looked upon Satan and said: Who art thou? For behold, I am a son of God, in the similitude of his Only Begotten; and where is thy glory, that I should worship thee?
14 For behold, I could not look upon God, except his glory should come upon me, and I were transfigured before him. But I can look upon thee in the natural man. Is it not so, surely?
15 Blessed be the name of my God, for his Spirit hath not altogether withdrawn from me, or else where is thy glory, for it is darkness unto me? And I can judge between thee and God; for God said unto me: Worship God, for him only shalt thou serve."
posted at 12:36:30 on April 6, 2014 by Hopeful1
Addictions Vs. Bad Habits    
"Everybody has dealt with a bad habit. Maybe it's swearing or eating junk food or gossiping. From a normal person's perspective, like your wife, quitting a bad habit isn't so hard. You just quit, and you don't go back. No more "desire" to do it again if you're truly repentant, right?

Wrong. That's just wrong when it comes to addiction. Your post highlights the importance of working with other addicts when it comes to recovery. Somebody who has never faced the maelstrom of addiction will not understand what you are going through.

Since I'm an addict, I get what you're saying. You have had a change of heart, and you're trying to do the right thing, but the urges keep on coming. That's just how addiction goes. This is why recovery programs are important. If you don't have a support group where you can go and voice your struggles, I suggest you find one. With all do respect to your wife, she's probably not the best shoulder for you to cry on."
posted at 13:12:31 on April 6, 2014 by ETTE
Thanks    
"Thanks Ette
I was trying to help her understand that the temptation never goes away but that I gain strength through Christ and I grow stronger with time. But by me saying that I think she internalizes it out of fear to say I always want to look at other women. That's not what I was saying. Sometimes I'm tempted to drink coffee or drink alcohol or not pay my tithing or lie or steal and on an on. That doesn't mean I want to. It means Satan is whispering in my ear. I can love my life in such a way that those temptations are ineffective. Christ was tempted but gave them no heed. Satan did not stop tempting him and from what I read people and Satan still try to tempt God. So it seems even after death temptation will not cease. To me temptation = satan putting negative thoughts in your mind to do wrong. When you listen to it and act then that becomes sin.

My wife is not my support for this. But she holds me accountable which is good. She is free to ask if I'm clean or having problems as long as she can handle the truth.

I have good friends and support"
posted at 14:43:18 on April 6, 2014 by Hopeful1
Taking to the spouse    
"Can create PTSD in them. Maybe refrain from doing this unless your sponsor or therapist directs it."
posted at 14:07:32 on April 7, 2014 by Anonymous
What if it was your sister?    
"This is a good question. I haven't read all the other responses, so I may repeat something already said. It is normal for a man to be tempted, and yes Satan isn't going to stop throwing temptation at you. But your wife also has a point that when Christ has truly healed us, we have no more desire to do evil. When we see pornography in light and truth, it is very distasteful and offensive. When we are tempted, it is because we are seeing something dark as light. We think an illusion is real. What if you went to a pornographic website and saw a picture of your sister, or someone else you cared about? Would you be tempted to lust after her? Or would you be shocked and alarmed? You would probably be very concerned about your sister, and you might wonder what you could do to help her, because obviously if she is on this website she has taken a wrong turn in life. If it was your sister you would see porn in light and truth, you would see the woman in the image in light and truth. It is degrading to a women's sacred body. It is offensive to God. If you can remember the truth of the matter, there really isn't even a temptation to go there. I hope this is helpful."
posted at 11:14:15 on April 8, 2014 by Anonymous
Still...a naked woman is a naked woman    
"No matter how "healed by Christ" a man is, he is also designed by Christ to be attracted to naked women. This is OK and normal, and no one should expect it's just going to go away."
posted at 18:45:54 on April 8, 2014 by Anonymous


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