Taking a Stand
By ette
10/9/2013 2:03:55 AM
The most recent evil spirit stories from kick it reminded me of a cheesy horror film. I read it and knew that I had wasted my time reading his words. It's been a long time coming, but I need to make a commitment to myself and everyone here that I won't read or respond to his (or Aussie's) posts again.

After reading Poe's Law (Wikipedia), I realized kick it and Aussie just might be making fun of us. Beclean makes a good post on unconditional love, and here comes kick it stirring it up with good ole tough love. That alone shows this guy is out to be contentious and/or poke fun at us.

Although I previously mentioned kick it and Aussie are not constantly trying to stalk people (with the exception of they speak, kick it made a creepy attempt at contacting him), they are still hounding this site like trolls. They could be insane. They could be devil worshippers (I am the one who originally suspected that months ago). Maybe they are just overly zealous about their theories.

I believe Jesus Christ and His gospel saves us from the sins brought on us by addiction. I believe the twelve steps are a way to leave addiction and grow closer to Christ and his gospel. I feel that the church supports a Christ-centered twelve step approach since the First Presidency approved the ARP manual. Kick It has encouraged suffering addicts to leave the twelve steps in the dust and pursue exorcism. From all I've seen and heard, this approach is a pipe dream at best and malicious lie at worst. And yet kick it forces this approach on us at every turn. I just cannot tolerate that any longer!

This site has helped me with my addiction recovery. I care about it. If I could, I would block the I.P. addresses linked to kick it and Aussie so they would stop coming here and disturbing our progress. I'm not the administrator, I'm only a member, but I am still taking a stand against them in whatever small way I can.

I will not read or reply to another word kick it or Aussie writes.


or the reverse    
"True fundamentalist beliefs can be mistaken for parody."
posted at 06:30:02 on October 9, 2013 by Anonymous
Benefit of the doubt?    
"Well, sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. And if it is true, the story, maybe it shouldn't have been shared here because it is too personal. Then again, admittedly, I am not the best judge of what is and what isn't too personal to share on this site. Probably, I have shared too much personal information here. That's why I am posting anonymously right now instead of under my real handle (how embarrassing!).

At the same time, I also try to not read what certain people say because it seems to upset me too much.

posted at 08:52:06 on October 9, 2013 by Anonymous
Not sure    
"I honor your ability to choose and declare your choice, Ette. I'm not sure I agree with the choice for myself personally. I've been very frustrated by them in the past, and I don't think they listen at all, meanwhile accusing us that WE don't listen. (For the record, I've spoken to no fewer than 2 sponsors, 2 bishops, my wife, and several friends about unclean spirits, and I've read everything these two have posted—I listen and apply what the spirit confirms, just as I do with all other inspiration I receive.) And, even though they rarely mention Jesus and rarely confirm 12 steps or the grace and goodness of God or the infinite worth of children of God (regardless of actions), I have always felt they have something to add or consider. I get super frustrated with their unflinching, hard-nosed attitude, and I see that same attitude in myself sometimes. So, although I'm sometimes worried about the contention they cause on the site, I'm not ready to advocate for expelling anyone. I don't like witch hunts. Go ahead and ignore them, and others can too. I think they should be allowed to participate. If people benefit from them, great. I hope they are real people. I pray they are following the spirit. I hope they'll recognize the pure goodness and love of God —even for those stuck in sin and pride."
posted at 09:14:47 on October 9, 2013 by beclean
"One person I know personally from this site was so excited (for real) about how helpful the Kick Its are. I am not kidding at all. This person is not me, but I am just passing on this viewpoint from a friend.

posted at 09:28:40 on October 9, 2013 by Anonymous
So we're voting um off the island? Sweet ;) jk    
"Based on my experience I think you're making a great decision. Great decision! Seriously, at every turn every time some one mentions a post from either of them I'm so encouraged in my resolve to stop tainting my mind with abject stupidity. For example you mentioned the "tough love" post. Wholly shit I'm glad I didn't read that! Though one may think I did based on my following post. Nope.

A few people have said they feel the Kickits contribute to this site. I think they are being very charitable in that suggestion but at this point I hardily disagree. They're tearing it apart, spread little but contention, and constantly belittle superior minds and spirits. If some one could show me one time, one single post in almost a freaking year of this b.s., where an exchange with these guys went well where both parties were hearing each other and asking each other questions - reasoning together - both sides being edified...I'd eat my hat.

The standard for discerning the Spirit vs. darkness is set clearly before us guys:

19 And again, he that receiveth the word of truth, doth he receive it by the Spirit of truth or some other way?
20 If it be some other way it is not of God.
21 Therefore, why is it that ye cannot understand and know, that he that receiveth the word by the Spirit of truth receiveth it as it is preached by the Spirit of truth?
22 Wherefore, he that preacheth and he that receiveth, understand one another, and both are edified and rejoice together.

23 And that which doth not edify is not of God, and is darkness.

At this moment as I type I don't know how what's going on can get anymore obvious.

p.s. A tiny little bit of me still hopes Aussie continues to post because, though I sometimes forget, at the end of the day provided she's genuine she's still a victim of an addict husband who less than a year ago was lusting after all kinds of girls that weren't her. That's a bummer deal. And I wish she'd be more vulnerable and share her pain about that instead being lame towards all of us and setting herself up as some kind of authority on addiction. Co-dependance is just a way to avoid the pain of looking in the mirror. But if she would maybe she could see herself clearly enough to see and feel the love and kinship that's here among the other recovering ladies who share in her suffering. But, I can no longer read her crap. Until it sings to me in a different tone at least."
posted at 10:30:26 on October 9, 2013 by they_speak
"Fully 56% of us support your decision."
posted at 11:09:54 on October 9, 2013 by Anonymous
You really tempting me    
" go read this 56% post I keep hearing about. Lol"
posted at 11:16:33 on October 9, 2013 by they_speak
Don't bother, my friend    
"According to kick it, fully 56% of pshrinks get big pharm money. In the same post, we were also informed that fully 56% of Christ's miracles involved casting out demons. I'm sure fully 56% of all statistics are made up on the spot."
posted at 11:22:06 on October 9, 2013 by ette
posted at 11:28:51 on October 9, 2013 by they_speak
I'm sorry for being adversarial    
"I will try to be more careful of my tone here. You're right."
posted at 11:54:48 on October 9, 2013 by Anonymous
I'm in    
"Out they go. I stopped reading the posts because they just piss me off."
posted at 13:13:58 on October 9, 2013 by Anonymous
I think they are trolls    
"I'm the same as anon above and I thing they are making fun of all of us. Speak, I didn't know that Kick It tried to contact you. How? You don't have your email address listed, do you? Weird I tell ya, just weird."
posted at 13:15:29 on October 9, 2013 by Anonymous
Deimos was a troll    
"but I don't think that Kick It and Aussie are. They actually remind me of most Mormons' (Temple Worthy Mormons) attitudes and viewpoints, but with regards to politics. In fact, they're exactly like the leading Mormons in Utah that I know. They are entirely immune to facts. And I don't say that to bash them or anyone else, but just to tell the truth and to put things into context. So don't let them ruin your day.

I actually think they're sincere, and that Kick It had the experience he said he had. But I'm certainly willing to admit I'm wrong. Maybe they are trolls.

Whatever the truth is, there is a simple way to prevent them from hijacking anyone's blog (and from ruining your day), and that is to ignore them and not respond to their comments."
posted at 14:35:01 on October 9, 2013 by dog
"I don't have an email up. He just told me to email him. I didn't get the creep vibe so much but the way he pitched it did sound a little funny. Like when some one makes the phone gesture and mouths/whispers "call me". I had a good chuckle.

But what incensed me about it was the fact that I'd cornered him about the whole Paternoster thing and STILL he couldn't make a public offering of humility. He wanted to talk it over in private. That's when I quit reading his stuff. I don't know if they are malicious trolls or not. But after he pulled the *whispers* "email me" number I lost all respect for him.

I actually prayed about how I should proceed with the whole debacle (I know sounds BYU cheesey as hell) and I think the answer that came was "just chill's not your concern". Which made me kind of trust the answer because it wasn't the answer I was looking for. I wanted God to tell me straight up whether Kickit and Aussie were for real. So I could support or annihilate them. Instead it was more like God was all "Yo hommie...I got this."

So, I quit reading. And man this site has been SOOOO much cooler with out them. For me anyway."
posted at 15:35:10 on October 9, 2013 by they_speak
Winston Churchill once said...    
"You sound like a bunch of whiny bitches!

You're making kick it look pretty good right about now. Geeeeez!
One thing that I heard that I can agree with...when you are angry something IS wrong with YOU!"
posted at 19:07:29 on October 9, 2013 by Anonymous
"You guys know that reading their posts was always optional, right?"
posted at 19:10:46 on October 9, 2013 by Anonymous
"So funny, the angry Winston Churchill anonymous is :-)."
posted at 19:18:51 on October 9, 2013 by Anonymous
You mad Winston?    
"Coupled with the astute observation about optional reading (isn't that what fully 56% of this thread is about?) I feel pretty stupid right now."
posted at 19:52:56 on October 9, 2013 by they_speak
This has been bothering me    
"Something about this thread has been bothering me for a few days, but I couldn't quite put my finger on exactly what it was until tonight.

One thing I've noticed about many addicts in recovery is that they can be some of the nicest, most non-judgmental people in the world. They have a keen awareness of their own imperfections, which seems to help them be very tolerant and forgiving of the imperfections in others... especially fellow addicts.

On top of that, Latter-day Saints should be especially Christlike, always willing to reach out a helping hand. We should be willing to bear one another's burdens and all that jazz. We're known for being exceptionally nice people.

What the heck, people? Look, I get it that KickIt can be (is?) annoying. I get it that he comes across as having a "my way or the highway" attitude. I get it that some think he's a troll trying to make us look bad. But what if he's not? What if he gets so smug in his "I'm cured" attitude that he relapses hard? What if he finds himself in desperate need of an LDS, Christ-centered support group in the near future? If you don't like the guy, fine. Ignore him. If you think he's a troll, fine. I'm even OK with you warning others that he could be a troll before you ignore him. But do you really need to be so rude? Do you really need to be so mean spirited and hateful about it? Do you really need to drive him away? What happened to the non-judgmental, forgiving attitude I often see in recovering addicts?

Are we really looking to Christ as our example, or is this just lip service we've learned to repeat in the Church? Christ ate with publicans and sinners, many of whom would never come to accept his divine mission. He never gave up on them though. Heck, he never gave up on ME. It's sad that some of us are so willing to give up on a fellow addict so quickly and in such a mean spirited way, in spite of the crystal clear example that the Savior left us."
posted at 03:07:05 on October 15, 2013 by Anonymous
"... I'll be the first to admit I only pay Christ's example lip service. Oh gad do I ever pay it lip service!

Gotta be honest, maybe I'm just the meanest s.o.b. alive, but I just don't really feel that bad. Where I was honest it was harsh. Where I was rude (56% and so forth) I was kidding around.

Call me Cain but if Kick it relapses guess who has all the answers? Kick it. Maybe that's a dick thing to say. But honestly based on what I've read he agrees with me. So be it.

For what it's worth if the dude ever comes back or appears to be commenting incognito (so as to frustrate my attempt to pass over his comments) my intention is to be utterly detached. To accept what is and observe me. In effect to repent. And if the guy ever wants help, love, or encouragement... Well according to him that's what we're best at (back patting and pity parties). I'll be the first to receive him. But I highly doubt that will ever happen.

P.s. Where we're you when he bid farewell? It's not like you were begging him to stay. Seems to me your hands are just as dirty as ours player. No offense. I could be wrong."
posted at 07:53:30 on October 15, 2013 by they_speak
"Some of us, myself included, feel bad for not wanting him to come back. Guilty. I know I feel this way. His attitude seemed pretty contentious and it was difficult to deal with. And I dint know how to deal with this."
posted at 09:15:50 on October 15, 2013 by Anonymous
I don't think anyone should feel bad    
"For not knowing how to deal with a bully. That's what Kick it was. Typical cop. Thinks he knows where the bear dumps in the woods because he has a little he supposes. And gets off pushing people around. Be it literally (physically) or by the force of his word and approach and attitude. I feel no remorse."
posted at 12:36:26 on October 15, 2013 by they_speak
"Well, maybe you are right, Speak. It seems you read people pretty well, and I know dern well I do not read people well. So, maybe you're right.

I do feel he is a bully, though."
posted at 12:51:43 on October 15, 2013 by Anonymous

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