Love unconditionally
By beclean
10/6/2013 11:39:44 AM
I absolutely loved the way President Eyring described what turns around the foulest sinners: a brother, sister, parent, or grandparent with unconditional love. That was so touching and powerful. Just love them no matter what they do.

The sin is terrible. The person is a loved child of God.


"I thought of this site while he was talking since we had been talking about that on that other thread. Eyering said it best."
posted at 21:29:33 on October 6, 2013 by maddy
Sounds like a bunch of back patting and pity parties to me    
posted at 10:46:39 on October 7, 2013 by they_speak
On That Note    
"It made me think. The expression of love is not always warm and fuzzy. Some times, as we all know, love is expressed with sternness or even righteous indignation and correction.

When I was raising my sister I often had to get in her face about things. Prior to moving in with us she was failing out of school, experimenting with drugs like ecstasy, had sex with over 15 dudes in one year, gotten 2 STDs and been in several fights. Needless to say this little gal needed structure. And discipline. And a frightening father figure to provide those things. I tried to give those things to her.

At the time I had about 9 inches of thick black beard sitting atop the 200 pounds of me and I could put her to tears just by looking at her a certain way. With fire in my eyes. BUT, I always did (tried) it with absolute love and an understand of her best interest. Her goals. Her life. It was when I started reacting out of selfish anger or any selfish motives or attachments that I would lose control and, her respect. I could see when that would happen. I tried my best to make it a rule of thumb that if I couldn't yell at her or discipline her and then walk in the back room and laugh/smile about it it was no time to yell at her or discipline her.

During the time she lived with us she got excellent grades except in math (still passed) didn't have sex and didn't do drugs. I know because we didn't give her any time for that and to her credit when the rubber meets the road she's pretty honest. Plus, you can't play a playa. She couldn't get away with much. She even bore her testimony about the book of mormon (we'd been reading it at night) at church which was...pff pretty unexpected. And kind of funny. She acted like she hated it. But I insisted, not for religious value, but rather it was one more measure of structural fortitude. In fact I told her I didn't give a damn if she believed it it was just what we were going to do. Because I knew it was good for her.

Anyway, just my 2 on how love can be expressed with an iron fist and received meekly ;) But, it's a fine line. I think if you do it without God (Love) you're screwed and the sinner will rebel all the harder. As they should in my opinion. No one need submit to a douche bag.

I know you guys all know this. That's why I mention it. Because it's something we all know but some don't seem to know that we know. Ya know?"
posted at 11:17:40 on October 7, 2013 by they_speak
I know    
posted at 12:09:44 on October 7, 2013 by Anonymous
But sometimes    
"I feel like unconditional love means acting more like dogs. Sounds silly, maybe, but I am for real here. I mean, doggies are so excited to see us when we get home and they are just loving beings.

I'm not saying I believe people should entirely act like dogs and figuratively wag tails all of the time etc, but maybe it would be nice if people, myself included, showed less apathy toward one another.

(And I don't even have a dog. I've got cats)"
posted at 12:55:42 on October 7, 2013 by Anonymous
I think you're absolutely correct    
"From the book How To Win Friends and Influence People (I originally underlined the main points but decided against it 'cause it's a good read and important stuff)

"Why read this book to find out how to win friends? Why not study the technique of the greatest winner of friends the world has ever known? Who is he? You may meet him tomorrow coming down the street. When you get within ten feet of him, he will begin to wag his tail. If you stop and pat him, he will almost jump out of his skin to show you how much he likes you. And you know that behind this show of affection on his part, there are no ulterior motives: he doesn't want to sell you any real estate, and he doesn't want to marry you.

Did you ever stop to think that a dog is the only animal that doesn't have to work for a living? A hen has to lay eggs, a cow has to give milk, and a canary has to sing. But a dog makes his living by giving you nothing but love.

When I was five years old, my father bought a little yellow-haired pup for fifty cents. He was the light and joy of my childhood. Every afternoon about four-thirty, he would sit in the front yard with his beautiful eyes staring steadfastly at the path, and as soon as he heard my voice or saw me swinging my dinner pail through the buck brush, he was off like a shot, racing breathlessly up the hill to greet me with leaps of joy and barks of sheer ecstasy.

Tippy was my constant companion for five years. Then one tragic night - I shall never forget it - he was killed within ten feet of my head, killed by lightning. Tippy's death was the tragedy of my boyhood. You never read a book on psychology, Tippy. You didn't need to. You knew by some divine instinct that you can make more friends in two months by becoming genuinely interested in other people than you can in two years by trying to get other people interested in you. Let me repeat that. You can make more friends in two months by becoming interested in other people than you can in two years by trying to get other people interested in you. Yet I know and you know people who blunder through life trying to wigwag other people into becoming interested in them. Of course, it doesn't work. People are not interested in you. They are not interested in me. They are interested in themselves - morning, noon and after dinner."

When thinking about the dog so excited to see him and running to greet him I couldn't help but think of the parable of the prodigal son."
posted at 13:21:31 on October 7, 2013 by they_speak
Hey, that sounds like a good book, Speak    
"Because who couldn't use more love in their life? Love heals. Love changes.

I guess it makes sense why my dad used to keep telling me to read that book. Of course, I never did. Usually, I seemed to do the exact opposite of what he would tell me to do."
posted at 15:04:42 on October 7, 2013 by Anonymous
My Missionary    
"Has always loved that book. I've read it and love it too. He tried to get his brothers to read it, but they were always busy doing other things. He is always wanting to improve himself and be the best person he can be. He is also a very devoted missionary too. The other boys are missionary age but are not serving. They might choose serve to one day, or they might not. I love them just the same, but how much better off are we when we choose to seek improvement rather than seek entertainment? I believe it makes for a better life."
posted at 16:02:24 on October 7, 2013 by Anonymous
tough love    
"I thought the miracle of casting out unclean spirits got you to this point, Kick It. Is that the same thing as tough love? Did someone also punish you to make you stop lusting?"
posted at 06:54:00 on October 8, 2013 by Anonymous
Maybe it is a good idea to be kind, though    
"Neither my bishop nor my sponsor were unkind or "tough" or even coarse with me. If they would've been, I most likely would have felt uncomfortable talking to either one of them. Lucky for me, neither of these were tough. My spouse has not even been "tough" with me. Just loving. Sometimes frustrated, but loving and patient. The kindness of these people has helped me to change."
posted at 12:49:40 on October 8, 2013 by Anonymous
tough love    
" a waist of time if the recipient doesn't respect you. If you've failed to build rapport. And if it is not motivated at the right time by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost. I'm glad your loved ones seem to have had the insight to see that anonymous :)"
posted at 13:03:59 on October 8, 2013 by they_speak

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