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The Experiences of Life
By Draffon
9/5/2013 8:07:09 PM
I know that there are many on this blog who will call me crazy and try and put me down because I have had an unclean spirit cast out of me. KickIt opened my eyes and to him I am grateful. I will say this: NO ONE will put me down and make me believe otherwise.

I had an unclean spirit cast out of me a month ago now. I was in such a dark place because my girlfriend left me for reasons other than pornography. After that break up, I dove into porn for three days. When I finally was ready to have that spirit cast out of me, I broke down so bad that I nearly passed out. Crying and BEGGING Heavenly Father to allow this spirit to be cast from me.

Upon having this spirit cast from me, I immediately felt myself again. It was almost a Jekyll/Hyde effect and it felt like something was torn from me. Immediately my language changed and the compulsions were gone and I could focus.

It has been a month. A very productive month. I feel so much happier and I smile and laugh more. The compulsions are non existant and the temptations are so much easier to remember. I have worked steadly and harshly to purge my mind of images that I have seen. I want to go to church now, I pay my tithing without thought, and despite being disfellowshipped for my sins, I am determined more than ever to get better. I will not allow ANYTHING to stop me. The adversary is always there and I do feel guilt for what I have done. And the guilt has to be there to have the desire to get better. Guilt and pain drove me to the breaking point that made me who I am now. And I can say how amazing it is to feel whole again.

Comments:

Thats dope.    
"What can we do to make you feel welcome and heard and understood? Or help you along in your progression if you need any?

What brought you to a place where you decided you had an unclean spirit? Or was it more a give the casting out thing a shot and see if it works cause you had nothing to lose and then it did work? Have you always had the unclean spirit? Or do you remember kind of when or what you did or what happened that caused you to be possessed by it? What will happen if you do look at porn again? What will your plan be then? Will you for sure become possessed again or not necessarily?

How, do you personally apply this to the 12 steps and the atonement of Jesus Christ? Now that's what I'd like to know more about. Teach me of Jesus. And how he personally worked and works in your life through this experience. That's a story I could get really into."
posted at 20:56:06 on September 5, 2013 by they_speak
Vague    
"I honestly believe that I became possessed when I was between 12-14 years old. That was when I first became exposed to pornography. KickIt and to be quite honest the scriptures opened me up to the idea of unclean spirits. I was of course very skeptical at first. There were times that when I looked in the mirror I did not see myself. It was honestly the break up that was my breaking point and I decided that I needed to look into unclean spirits more.
As for looking at porn again, there is always the possibility of that happening. I believe that not just one relapse can bring them back but constant looking and not fighting. I believe that possession is a very real possibility for one that does not take getting their life in order seriously. And not just one, but perhaps dozens of spirits may come back and it would be even more difficult to cast them out.
I am fairly new to the 12 step program and have only been going to the meetings for the past month. I hate to say in some ways it is hard for me to answer the question of applying possession to the 12 steps. I do not want to discourage you, They Speak. But I can tell you that this has happened to me. I admitted, like in the steps, that I had a problem. I very uch believe that is what opened my eyes to possession. Christ cast out unclean spirits in the scriptures and it specifically says so.
To make me feel welcome all I ask is open your heart and minds and be OPEN to the idea. This did happen to me and I want so badly to help my brothers and sisters in this matter. Writing this I have tears in my eyes because I know this is true and I want to help. I promise to try and answer everything to the best of my abilities but please to anyone that replies to this: be open, trust in the Savior. Unclean spirits are in the world and they can be beaten. Realize that you do have an addiction and work hard. Please. You all can beat this and make progress. Just listen to those of us that have had unclean spirits and have had them cast out."
posted at 21:10:21 on September 5, 2013 by Draffon
Draffon    
"I find it weird that Draffon comes on here and was not on here before and suddenly he is healed exactly like KICKIT and not putting much weight on 12 step or the atonement, just like KICKIT. I think you sound just like him and I think you are him. Frankly I think it is worth a try, but my question is why does the church even have a 12 step program when the leaders could just tell Bishops to cast out the unclean spirit and heal everyone in a faster time? This is fishy and feels weird. Does anyone else feel this way? maybe I am wrong."
posted at 22:39:56 on September 5, 2013 by Anonymous
i don't think Aussie would let kick it do that    
"Give him the benefit of the doubt"
posted at 23:43:55 on September 5, 2013 by Anonymous
12 Step preparation    
"I can guarantee you Anon that Draffon is not Kick it. Do you think for a second I would stand for that crap? I'm crazy but not psychopathic.

I truly believe that those people who do not have compulsions can really overcome these problems with the 12 Step program alone and with casting out unclean spirits around them especially when thoughts / imagery come to their mind. However those with compulsions need the 12 step program before and after the unclean spirit is cast out. (having an unclean spirit in you should never be used as an excuse because you offered yourself over to the buffeting of Satan by your thoughts and actions)

This is vital because unless you have reached the point where the pain of the addiction (hurting others) has out weighed the pleasure you experience; you can not completely turn your life over to the saviour or use the 12 step program successfully. Ye are not sufficiently humble or prepared.

Kick it went through the steps himself before even knowing about the 12 step program. He already started the process when he confessed to me everything he had ever done, I mean everything. His overwhelming guilt lead him to honesty, confession, humility, repentance, evil spirit cast out, restitution etc etc

He / we have been trying to tell everyone this for a while now. We go to the 12 Step program often and still follow the steps. I know that JESUS Is The CHRIST and through him and by him all things are possible.

Jesus is the one who did the majority of the casting out of unclean spirits he used the priesthood to do this and gave this power to other worthy priesthood holders to use. It is the power of God on earth to perform miracles. This is not fiction it is as true as the nose on your face.

In answer to your other question I can just see it now if this went completely public, all those with ailments members / non members lining up at the LDS churches for healings / casting out of unclean spirits and becoming disgruntled because they are not sufficiently prepared and also those that are prepared not using big pharma / medical or other merchandise for their ailments anymore.

The persecution of the early saints would pale in comparison to the persecution we would receive now from this world of secret / combinations / bankers / societies, if that were to happen at this time. We really need to use the sprit of discernment and be sufficiently humble in order to pull the power Heaven down.

Have Faith my Brother!"
posted at 00:12:19 on September 6, 2013 by Aussie
Priesthood?    
"You don't need to have the priesthood to cast out an unclean spirit. Anyone can do it in the name of Jesus Christ. Otherwise only Mormons would benefit and that would just be wrong. You have no idea if the priesthood holder is even worthy because even as Nephi and many others in the scriptures state, we are all sinners and none are worthy not one. You can cast out evil spirits as long as you have the real desire with real faith and it is done in HIS name. Many miracles are performed by people of all walks of life. Many general authorities endorse and use pharma / medical themselves and endorse the same for members. In fact at a regional conference Dallan Oaks and his wife spoke and he gave a thumbs down to alternative methods of mental healthcare. I disagree with him, but he said that the church only endorses mental care by a licensed professional and went on to talk about pier review and so forth. Why don't we hear anything about the unclean spirit business in the church? Other churches do it publicly and there is no persecution. I do believe in casting out the evil spirit i just don't believe you have to be Mormon to do it. we can be so elitist sometimes."
posted at 00:49:04 on September 6, 2013 by Anonymous
This Link might shed light    
"It is not official from the church but from a long standing website and I think it does a good job explaining casting out evil spirits.
http://www.askgramps.org/4941/does-the-mormon-church-practice-casting-out-devils "
posted at 00:59:55 on September 6, 2013 by Anonymous
When Jesus intervenes    
"I know in the scripture about the vagabond Jews who tried to cast out evil spirits in Jesus name, they were wounded by the evil spirit after it stated "Jesus I know and Paul I know but who are you?"

However after saying this I do know exactly where you are coming from Anon because it does seem that other faiths and some courageous people in general try to help people who are possessed, have unclean spirits cast out. This is a righteous desire of ones heart to help with this problem. All I can say is they do not have the priesthood of Jesus Christ but I am sure that God looketh on their good hearts with mercy and compassion.

What I think may happen is that of course God hears their prayers and eventually I think he may send ministering angels with the priesthood to cast out those evil spirits on behalf of the possessed and the righteous one trying to assist with having this evil entity removed.

I know of a Bishop and other high priests from our church who were trying to cast out an evil spirit and every time they placed their hands on the possessed they got grabbed by the throat and thrown into the wall. So you are right faith and fasting play a huge part in being able to successfully cast out evil spirits.

I know the Bishop who cast out the unclean spirit from Kick it was a righteous priesthood holder and he heard the whooshing noise as the unclean spirit left but it did not touch / hurt him or kick it.

I have watched the program a haunting that is suppose to be based on real evil spirits and possession and when other priests from other religions try to cast out the evil spirit it is like an absolute nightmare. I really do not think it is suppose to be that bad if you are a worthy priesthood holder and the possessed is humble and ready.

So I am not saying that Heavenly Father does not hear the prayers of those from other religions / peoples but I think that it is entirely up to him if he chooses to send ministering angels to cast out. And I am sure their faith plays a huge part in this process. But they do not have the priesthood of Jesus Christ.

In saying that faith as big as a mustered seed for anyone will evoke the powers of Heaven and I am sure Jesus will use the priesthood to bless them so abundantly that they do not have room to receive it.

For all miracles are wrought by the priesthood of Jesus Christ. However we have to be careful that Satan does not try to deceive us into thinking that this priest or that priest who has no authority / power can cast out evils spirits because these evil spirit may just leave so people are deceived into thinking that anyone can cast out evil spirits or wrought miracles. In revelations it talks about even the very elect being deceived in the last days by false miracles and the anti-Christ."
posted at 02:09:56 on September 6, 2013 by Aussie
Kick it...    
"Ha ha! The first lines of your post cracked me up! I've never heard of a sized 9 enema. Sounds painful! Ha!"
posted at 07:11:46 on September 6, 2013 by Anonymous
Draffon = Kick It    
"Nuff said."
posted at 12:21:51 on September 6, 2013 by Anonymous
scriptures    
"People who overly quote the scriptures to make a point always scare me. There is just something that feels off about your's and aussie's responses. I can't put my finger on it, but it just feels funny. This is just getting weird, so i'm out."
posted at 00:11:22 on September 7, 2013 by Anonymous
You are clean 8 months    
"We are all happy for you but you need more time under your belt before most on here will take you seriously."
posted at 00:16:09 on September 7, 2013 by Anonymous
Anon    
""there is something that feels off about your's and aussies's responses?" Why? What? How? The only reason I could think of is an evil spirit whispering negative things to you about us?

We overly quote scripture and that scares you? We are LDS. It seems that we are damned if we do and damned if we don't with some people on this site?

Anon you could pray to God about it"
posted at 01:33:47 on September 7, 2013 by Aussie
Anonymous 1 you're not alone    
"For 3 days I was troubled about this whole thing. Ever since Aussie responded for Kickit in regards to the satirical Stake President blog. Something just hasn't sat right with me. And as I reviewed the evidence I wasn't encouraged.

I've went back and forth on what to say or address and invested WAY more thought then necessary into the whole matter. I've been fasting for 2 days now (for other reasons entirely apart from this blog) and just finished a huge scriptural feast. Aussie, I can pray about it and have. It came to me: it doesn't matter. Kickit is a troll wether he means to be or not. I'm not totally convinced you are not him either if you want the God's honest. But, it doesn't matter. And it's crazy conjecture at this point. It's not my concern. God calls me another way.

Well wishes.

p.s. won't be on for a few days. I'm going out for recess. Christ and I will see you at the big toy :) I'll write about it hopefully when I get back."
posted at 07:54:59 on September 7, 2013 by They_speak
By The Way    
"Maybe I don't understand the scriptures either. In D&C 121 it says "... they do not learn this one lesson—that the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness...No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood, only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned; By kindness, and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul without hypocrisy, and without guile..." "Only" is a pretty heavy word. Righteousness only being the means by which the powers of heaven are wielded and righteousness being judged according to the laws which are given it seems to me anyone, member or non, has the powers of heaven at their disposal. The powers of heaven being synonymous with the power of Christ."
posted at 08:41:32 on September 7, 2013 by they_speak
You see what you want to see    
"They Speak is just one example of the Lord sending weak things to teach the strong things of the earth. You minimize others and their processes because it does not fit with yours. Come back in 3-5 years and tell us what you see when you have a little perspective. You can't see what you can't see. The reason your's and aussies posts do not resonate with most on here is because of your lack of respect and empathy for those who have healed in other ways. All you see is what you want to see. but I have been reading this blog since it's inception and there are many who have found lasting sobriety and healing who have built meaningful friendships with others on here. Some have slips or relapses and I contend that it is part of being human. We become weak and we need a savior. It is our weakness that Yokes us with God and with each other.
You have not been in this long enough for most people to want to here what you have to say. We have heard your song and dance before. There is not one serious addict who has not sought out the evil spirit option. I did it. No whooshing sound, not slamming doors, nothing. It is years of connecting with others, 12 step, my God, sponsors,my family and yes my fellow sinners on this site that all played a part in ending my compulsions. You came on here not seeking support but to be an authority on evil spirit therapy. If this was the general practice for recovery I promise you that the Prophet would make it known to the Bishops and other area leaders. We are happy for you, we really are. Maybe you could ask the Lord to remove your single mindedness and give you a little empathy.

STOP MINIMIZING PEOPLE ON THIS SITE. You are doing more harm than good. "
posted at 12:08:20 on September 9, 2013 by Anonymous
Stake President    
"Kick It you are becoming less believable every day. I am thinking you are a troll. It is one click away to learn that this guy is a satirist and an anti. If you read from the beginning he is constantly illustrating the absurd. If you are so easily sold on this, what else have you been sold on? The Devil made me do it?"
posted at 12:13:03 on September 9, 2013 by Anonymous
unclean spirit    
"No, Kick it definitely had an unclean spirit in him. And I will not let you Anon or anyone else for that matter especially another man make me question my spirituality. I have had people around me for so long who have made me second guess myself and question my worthiness and who have tried to destroy my faith in my spiritual abilities.

It is already hard for me to fathom why Heavenly Father has given me much spiritual discernment in this area. I really feel like I am no one special at all. I have suffered from insecurities and thinking I am not worthy my whole life. Men / women have kicked me while I have been down and tried to destroy both me in and out of the church.

Of course you would of had to of witnessed what I witnessed and felt what I felt and of course prayed and pondered on this like I did. You would have to do all this to truly know with out a doubt that he had an unclean sprit in him and I also know with out a doubt that my daughter who has suffered from schizophrenia for six years also has an unclean spirit in her.

I really don't know why it isn't called being under the influence of an unclean spirit. They refer to being under the influence of alcohol, drugs etc

Anon I will try to get Kick it to understand what you have been trying to say is that many people have followed the 12 steps become sufficiently humble and have tried to have an unclean spirit cast out of them with no success. I hear that!

I remember a bishop telling me that him and a few other high priests tried to cast an evil spirit out of a man one time and every time they went to lay their hands on his head they got grabbed by the throat and thrown into the wall. They all stopped soon after.

However when I relayed this story to my home teacher he told me that he would not stop trying to rebuke and cast out that evil spirit until it was gone. He would of kept going back until that evil spirit left. Not him having to leave?

Faith and worthiness plays a huge role in the priesthood. Fear and unworthiness repels Faith and Righteousness.

I do hear what you are saying and that others are having success by other means and that is fantastic. All I suppose I wanted people to know is, that this is an option that can and does help with the over whelming compulsion component of the problem. I have not felt Kick its adrenalin or compulsions from the day he had the unclean spirit cast out and I used to feel them all the time."
posted at 18:54:15 on September 9, 2013 by Aussie
I'm Sorry Aussie    
"In trying to get my point across, I can see that I have offended you. I know that you are a good person trying to good things to help others and you have special gifts you can not deny. Please accept my apology. My intention was never to say that your experience didn't happen. My blog post was directed at your husband. I believe that his experience was very real, but I don't believe that everyone who is addicted has his body possessed by an evil spirit. I'm sure he was tormented by this all of his life and glad he is free from it. Please understand that if your message is not resonating maybe you are speaking to the wrong audience. I think it is fine to share your experience and testimony. Isn't that what we all do on here? Maybe your story is too sacred to toss up on a blog of unknowns.Maybe you are only supposed to share it with those people you are lead to through a relationship.
I found this talk on Ted about a single story. It has nothing to do with addiction, but maybe you and kick it will understand that there is more than one story.

http://www.ted.com/talks/chimamanda_adichie_the_danger_of_a_single_story.html"
posted at 00:11:41 on September 10, 2013 by Anonymous
Thanks Anon    
"You are a good man!



God Bless!"
posted at 18:11:32 on September 10, 2013 by Aussie
I didn't mean it as just name calling    
"I meant it (troll) as defined ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) ). I've also noticed another trait of trolls. They never NEVER listen to or acknowledge what their audience is trying to communicate to them much to the consternation and anger of said audience. You've done amazingly well at this in the fact that we've all told you about a bajillion times we don't disbelieve your story nor are we resistant to the inherent message of your personal experience or the scriptures. I assume you'll continue to push the false idea that we're all against you and the idea of unclean spirits as they relate to addiction and the processes by which we should have them removed in order to manage our compulsions. Do your thang boy I ain't mad at'cha.

Sorry if calling you a troll is mean spirited. But you even admitted (and sometimes boasted) when you were first here you were deliberately approaching us in such a way to get through our thick skulls because we're all exactly like you were.

"There is one principal I wish to urge upon the saints in a way that may remain with them. That is to understand men and woman as they are and not, as you are." -Brigham Young

As far as you being Aussie and Draffon if you're not, I'm 100% sorry and it was completely 150% wrong of me to allude to the idea. Satan is the "accuser of his brethren" and I don't wish to play his game.

To clarify why I acted as I did: My suspicion started when you wouldn't apologize for your bogus link and quote and let Aussie man up for you in that regard. Maybe there was an understandable reason for that I don't know. It was just weird and it felt weird to me. She also posted an odd link that I didn't quite understand what or how it related and that made it even weirder for me. I started to think about how nearly everything you do riles everyone up and how I personally have never felt the Spirit in your words (excluding the scriptures you quote). That doesn't mean the Spirit isn't in your words. I just personally haven't felt it nor have I felt like you've tried to get me to feel it. So, I started to think it would almost make as much sense if you were just effing with us given the fact that you, no offense, are sometimes so incredibly obtuse I think no rational normal observant person could in the honesty of their heart act the way you do without the intent of irony. For example what right thinking Mormon actually says to some one that might have even the smallest possibility of not being a member "you obviously don't understand the scriptures" unless they're trying to be funny like Paternoster??? You're not Abinadi (who said something similar) before king Noah's priest's. Maybe they taught missionaries different in your day but in mine it was understood that you couldn't belittle anyone into investigating the church. We we're taught to go with Ammons approach of building on common beliefs. I just thought "There's no way this guy is actually concerned about peoples souls. He's kidding around for his own amusement and we're all fools for believing he's genuine and getting angry at him for it." Again, if I was wrong, sorry dude. Don't get me wrong either. You've have your moments that made me seriously question my doubts. I'd think "Nooo, Kickit's a real dude right??? He's just kind of cute and obnoxious sometimes. Who isn't? Plus, who would make such an elaborate joke of pretending to be someone and his own wife and now some other dude? That's absurd." But then my very next thought would be "Paternoster! His blog was super elaborate! Man that would make perfect sense. The guy (Kickit) is nice and kind once in a blue moon just to keep us roped in and keep having his fun pissing us all off. And then posts as his wife just to add credibility. And then get on as this new guy Draffon just to really start having fun with us." Like I said in my above post it was all absolute crazy conjecture. But it wasn't completely without evidence.

As far as you go Draffon some of the way you started approaching us was just strikingly similar to Kickit. It was hard not to wonder. Sorry man. Seriously. Sorry. I'd like to talk more personally to you on your other post so I'll stop there.

Anyway, I appreciate what you (Kickit) said in your last blog. Thank you. If it's true (that we share a common goal) and I was wrong in suspecting you were a deliberate/malicious troll and not a deliberate sometimes/accidental sometimes/but always sincere troll, again sorry. I was wrong.

p.s. I don't think anyone is necessarily disagreeing with you about the tired argument of faith vs. grace vs. works and how we are saved by them. It's the order by which we understand their application. Easy test: identify any faith you've gained without grace? Name one work you've performed through the exercise of that faith with out grace? Case closed. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Maybe we talk an awful lot about grace because it's SO much bigger than our petty works. Again, there's a lot of experience here and in 12 step meetings that suggest there is wisdom in where we are applying our focus. But, go ahead, feel free to balance the budget as you see fit. I ain't made at'cha.

p.s.p.s. Aussie, again, sorry to you too. You're a sweet spirit. Most of my aim was at Kickit. Not you. Unless you're him that is ;)"
posted at 02:16:04 on September 20, 2013 by they_speak
Get a room, you two    
"!"
posted at 07:26:49 on September 20, 2013 by Anonymous
KickIT and Aussie    
"K. I have a hard time with these two. They seem to come on as myopic with arrogance and no compassion. Their posts so sound so condescending at times. When someone is asking a serious question, they answer with a lot of preachy-ness. They have been at this for only 8 months and act like authorities in ARP. Who does that? Both of their posts show that they have little experience in actual addiction recovery. People in recovery do not behave like them. Seriously I never meet people like them in ARP. They never talk about recovery work even though they claim to be regular attendees. Aussie says weird tings about Priesthood holders getting grabbed by the throat and thrown against the wall. There is something suspicious with them. It's just weird. If you get a bad feeling like I do, don't respond to anything they write. Maybe I'm wrong, but does anyone feel inspired by anything they say?

I suggest that if anyone on here gets a bad feeling from what they post to just ignore them . I think they like getting a rise. I've noticed other than people arguing with them, most people on here tend to ignore them when they post anyway. "
posted at 17:28:37 on September 21, 2013 by Anonymous
"Draffon" New Testament Stories    
"The man with the evil spirit!

A man who lived in a cemetery by the Sea of Galilee had an evil spirit in him that made him act wild / crazy. People bound him with chains (antipsychotics) to control him but he broke the chains (stopped taking the meds)

The man spent all day and night in the mountains and caves (hospitals / institutions) He cried all the time and cut himself (self harmed)

One day Jesus and his disciples crossed the Sea of Galilee in a boat (Righteous Priesthood holders can drive on the road in a car)

Jesus told the evil spirit to come out of the man. (A Righteous priesthood holder has that same power to cast out as well)The evil spirit knew Jesus was the son of GOD. The evil spirit asked Jesus not to hurt him.

When the Savior asked the spirit what his name was, he said "my name is Legion" which means many. Many evil spirits were in the man. They asked Jesus to let them enter the bodies of some nearby pigs.

Jesus agreed. The evil spirits left the man and went into the bodies of about 2,000 pigs. The pigs ran down the hill and drowned.

The men who cared for the pigs ran to the city and told people what had happened. The people came and saw Jesus and the wild man. But the man was not wild anymore ( no compulsions to act wild, cry or self harm they had left with the evil spirits)

Unfortunately this made the people AFRAID of JESUS. They asked him to GO AWAY. He went back to the boat (The people were afraid of TRUE MIRACLES or now relied on Modern mans medicine)

The man who was healed wanted to go with Jesus. The Savior told him to go home instead and TELL HIS FRIENDS WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO HIM. ( Like you Draffon)

The man told his friends who were obviously TRUE FRIENDS of the man and TRUE FRIENDS of JESUS because they were amazed and JESUS' GREAT POWER!

This is like your miracle Draffon!

May God Bless You in all that you do Faithful Son!"
posted at 00:56:22 on September 23, 2013 by Aussie
Happy for you, Draffon    
"Glad you experienced this healing. it seems some people's faith increases from healing, where others' faith increases through trials."
posted at 13:16:15 on September 23, 2013 by Anonymous


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