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Questions about a few vital things to my testimony
By andrewb
4/1/2013 1:28:41 PM
let me point something out: i am not writing this to disprove anything, i am writing this to seek truth

1. why are some sins more serious than others? if we were sent down to earth to learn about certain lessons, why does someone's lesson have to be more lethally capable than others? if i have a problem with something sexual and someone has an issue with judging others, why would the person with the sexual problem be punished more? we are here to learn about certain things for our benefit

2. why do general authorities feel the need to be almost rude when they are talking about topics like sexuality? like: "you are giving up your soul to satan" and "its a hard road back".... this is not inviting me back, this is scaring me from ever coming back and trying harder

my thoughts, and i need answers please

UPDATE: found answers through the spirit in general conference, I'm sure some of you can point out what changed my thoughts towards these issues
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP EVERYONE, it definitely encouraged me to look for something

Comments:

Hopefully you are seeking truth    
"There are a lot of "trolls" on the Internet so i hope I'm not wasting my time. Of you are sincere, great I'll gladly throw in my 5 cents. Or 2, or dollar.

1. I dont think we are here to learn "certain lessons." I think we are here to go through the steps yo return to our Heavenly Father. Of course we will sin, and we will have to repent. Yes, some will say we go through things for a reason, we live and learn and those experiences make our identity. But that doesn't have anything to do with sins having different punishment.

There is a thing called sin hierarchy. Someone who calls another person a bad name will not have the same consequences as someone who killed someone. That makes no sense, why would God hold them equal. Sexual sin is only second to murder and denying the holy ghost. Why is it like that? I have no idea but that's how God made it, as pointed out in scriptures. I dont think we sin to get "lessons" so maybe that's where you're having struggles with.

2. I can't say why general authorities do or say what they say because I've never interviewed one. But I can say that I believe they are guided by the Spirit and if that's what compels them to say that then why shouldn't they say it? If the church were to watch everything they say in order to not scare someone or offend them, the church would say nothing! There is only the truth and if the truth is that being sexually active will lead to a wicked lifestyle (or a devil lifestyle) then why shouldn't he say it ?? Ya i agree sometimes the wording isn't great and it sounds weird, but if you come from the perspective that they're just being rude then you'll never get the message they intend, which is to live righteously.


I'm assuming you have an issue with sexual sin. Just by what you say. If you do, you're obviously very frustrated that you are actually committing a serious sin and the church is letting you know what will happen if you continue down this direction. I think you probably should stop trying to fight what the church days because its honestly a universal Christian principle to not do sexual things; that is not going away. But if you'd yep back and let go of the logical arguments and try to let the spirit guide your thoughts, you'll come to the right conclusion.

If you're not struggling good for you. But hopefully you dont do anything just because you dont believe what general authorities say. Life is all about choice. Accept or reject the gospel, its all on you."
posted at 14:03:55 on April 1, 2013 by mint
Well lets look at these    
"1." why are some sins more serious than others? if we were sent down to earth to learn about certain lessons, why does someone's lesson have to be more lethally capable than others? if i have a problem with something sexual and someone has an issue with judging others, why would the person with the sexual problem be punished more? we are here to learn about certain things for our benefit"

Well all sins are equally serious but some sins are harder to recover from and damage you more for example.
A man hits a kid with a car and kills him. vs. A man kills his wife over lust for another woman

The man hits a kid with a car and kills him: This guy did commit murder it is serious. Now he will have to live with the image of the crying mother and the dead child. His repentance process would be I would be focused on healing and forgiving himself. This man will go to jail for man slaughter and latter will get to live his life.

A man kills his wife over lust for another woman: This guy is a man who probably should be excommunicated. Not only did he commit adultery. He tried to make it so he could be with his partner. It was a true crime of the flesh. He gave into things he should have never gave in he was where he was not supposed to be and doing what he was not supposed to do. He yielded to selfish desires. His repentance process will be allot more serious because he will have to show and find remorse for his sin that he committed. He will also have to pay his debt to society before he is able to come back to the church if he even gets the chance. This sin is allot more serious.

It does not matter about what was done it matters about the heart as well."
posted at 16:55:54 on April 1, 2013 by Liberation
Answer to #1    
"Maybe because some sins cause more pain to ourselves and others (and caused more pain to the Savior) than lesser sins cause.

For #2, I see it differently. So I've got no idea :)"
posted at 18:08:46 on April 1, 2013 by g1rlie
my 2 cents...    
"Great question. An area that everyone has an opinion. I'm probably wrong but here's my opinion.

I don't believe that God has a hierarchy of sin per se. I think that was Man's best attempt to understand the mind of God. I've read all the scriptures too. But scriptures also say that God cant look at the least bit of sin. so that means that a simple lie can keep me out of heaven. WTH!?.

I don't like idea that there is some cosmic law enforcer above God that requires justice. Someone asked me.. "Why can't God just forgive me?" uhh, I don't know.

I have formed my personal opinion that we will end up where we feel most comfortable. I read this great talk from Brad Wilcox called "His grace is sufficient"

http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=1966

From this talk, he talks about a different sort of judgment -- "... the older I get, and the more I understand this wonderful plan of redemption, the more I realize that in the final judgment it will not be the unrepentant sinner begging Jesus, “Let me stay.” No, he will probably be saying, “Get me out of here!” Knowing Christ’s character, I believe that if anyone is going to be begging on that occasion, it would probably be Jesus begging the unrepentant sinner, “Please, choose to stay. Please, use my Atonement—not just to be cleansed but to be changed so that you want to stay.”

The miracle of the Atonement is not just that we can go home but that—miraculously—we can feel at home there. If Christ did not require faith and repentance, then there would be no desire to change. Think of your friends and family members who have chosen to live without faith and without repentance. They don’t want to change. They are not trying to abandon sin and become comfortable with God. Rather, they are trying to abandon God and become comfortable with sin. If Jesus did not require covenants and bestow the gift of the Holy Ghost, then there would be no way to change. We would be left forever with only willpower, with no access to His power. If Jesus did not require endurance to the end, then there would be no internalization of those changes over time. They would forever be surface and cosmetic rather than sinking inside us and becoming part of us—part of who we are. "

So my personal opinion is that the repentance process is an ability to eliminate guilt and shame in ourselves that we are comfortable being in his presence. "Bigger"sins usually entail greater feelings of guilt and shame. Sexual sin is interesting because a lot of the guilt has been socially programmed into us. In Abraham's time, it was common to have sex with your wife's handmaiden. That's not going to fly anymore. Did God change his definition? More likely humans did.

I personally feel extreme guilt and shame because I committed adultery and other sexual sins. I destroyed my wife's trust and self confidence. I fear relapse. I'm a freaking broken person. I left a string of wreckage. I can't completely understand the pain my wife feels. No one on earth can completely understand my pain. It would be miserable existence....Except for the atonement. My repentance process is designed not necessarily to cover the "price of sin" but to help me feel acceptable to Christ again. He already accepts me.. but can I accept him? I personally think the atonement is 90% for the victims of sin rather than the sinner to help them feel Christ's compassion and understanding of the pain and injustice they had to endure.

For me, the atonement is about learning to be comfortable enough to share my pain with Christ so he understands me and so I understand that he still accepts me. It's about feeling his compassion for me. I'm so broken and he get's it. It's also about me learning to have compassion on everyone else. It's about me getting a zillion chances to learn to make good choices. That was a huge "ah-ha" for me.

My thoughts on your #2 point is that the the "rudeness" feeling from the GAs is probably internal thoughts. They probably aren't thinking.. "I'm going to shame all these dopes into repentance." or maybe they aren.. who knows. :-) But they are right about one thing.. Once you are on a bad road, it's human nature to justify our bad behavior rather than admit we are wrong. I know that I imagine people looking down on me all the time at church. I hate that feeling. sometimes, I feel so dirty and sinful that I will never be good enough.. I want to run away and never attend again. But, I know that is just a feeling and not reality.

Im probably completely off base and wrong but it's what I'm going with today.

good luck"
posted at 18:12:32 on April 1, 2013 by Hurtallover


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BYU, Speeches of the Year, 26 Sept. 1967