What I hope happens
By skyteamst90
4/4/2007 6:51:25 AM
Doctrine and Covenants 110:5 — Behold, your sins are forgiven you; you are clean before me; therefore, lift up your heads and rejoice.
When I read this, it made me weep, in hopes that maybe one day, this can be said to me. It's funny how it says, 'lift up your heads' Isn't that what we do when we feel ashamed? ...and the last word, 'rejoice' That must be a really cool feeling.


It can happen to you!    
"I used to think that I had sinned too much, and that Christ's Atonement applied to anyone except me. Little by little, through two periods of separation from my wife, job changes, therapy, talking with several bishops, etc., my outlook has changed. In the past 16 months I have actually found hope and occasionally rejoicing! It is wonderful! I know what forgiveness feels like--it is like a heavy, heavy burden is suddenly gone! I am in the middle of divorce, but I am finally learning what peace is.

Ten years ago, when President Hinckley would talk about our wives being our most valuable asset and how we should seek their comfort and happiness, I mentally believed it. But his counsel was so far from where I was that I couldn't see how I could ever do that. I have gradually learned to trust the Lord and trust His leaders. And there are counsels that I still struggle with and fail to follow consistently. But when I look back, He has brought me a long way from where I was.

When I think of "lift up your heads", I think of looking up to heaven to thank Heavenly Father for His great mercy and the many blessings He has given me in spite of my faults and weaknesses."
posted at 18:55:22 on April 4, 2007 by J R
I am going to try    
"I am going to try to pray, I don't want to, I don't feel I can. I don't feel worthy. Everything I feel says 'don't do it!'

i had an experience a few months back with a lady friend. She is smart and going to school and was working on a paper. She was having some difficulty with nailing down some ideas and thoughts about what she should write or say in this paper. I feel she suffers from the same thing I do, the ADHD, but she doesn't think so, anyways, I was working on my truck at the time, and I suggested we pray, I felt so comfortable praying around her or praying with her. I offered a prayer, I don't remember anything I said, but upon completing it she asked me, "Do you feel that?" I was like what? She said 'I feel the spirit, and after you pray I feel the way I do after a priesthood blessing...' I was sitting there, and I didn't feel anything. I started to feel a little bad, as I was left out and not able to have this little spiritual experience. But she was able to finish her paper in a few weeks and got a good grade.

well anyways, enough about that. I wish I could feel it, but it doesn't come. Some of your post are encouarging, but I am still not sure. There is not awhole lot of faith left. It seems everything in my life is wrong, and no way out. I don't mean to complain, but this is the life I built right? Just at what point do I feel good again or feel like sticking around?

I heard once that the LORD is more powerful than Satan, and I would ask the question, Ok if that is true, why can I hear satans better than his? The answer would come like this, "Because you have listened to him more and you have a harder time listening for his." If that is true, then if he is searching for me and KNOWS how to unlock my mind, why doesn't he do that? Help me hear him? I would get frustrated alot as I would be trying to hear it, I would say in my prayers, why cant you just tell me? why does it have to be a game? why do you have to speak in riddles? You told Nephi how to build a ship, you had LEHI have the brass plates, you wrote things on the Liahona, why can't you spell it out for me? Why insert my name into the scriptures when they only filled with the exceptions and not the rule, and don't apply to me?

I was upset, I didn't understand. I tried asking and to understand. Someone once pointed out about the prayer thing, like saying the right words. I was like what is the point then, if you don't say the right thing, then why do it anyway? So if I say the wrong thing or word it the wrong way, it's not going to happen? If he knows my heart, then I guess he knows what I am trying to say then right?

One last thought on prayer. I get tongue tied on this alot and I suppose this is why I have such a hard time with it, and maybe have given up with it.
I have been asked in a blessing to 'pray for needs, pray for help' I suppose I would ask for that, but when I got the the moment to pray for needs, i didn't know what I needed. I didnt know what to say. Praying for help, I didn't know what that meant anyway. So i thought i should pray for this...or that.. (using my own mind), but then finding out, well if its not the Lords will, it isn't going to happen and he isn't going to bless that. So whats the point in praying, if it isn't going to happen the way I want (ie my addiction, for one), and if he isn't going to bless it, cause I am praying for the wrong thing (ie using my mind to solve the problem)? How do I know I am not praying for the wrong thing? I was just praying to get over my addiction. Help with strength. I have never felt him near. People have told me he is always there, but I have never felt it. I feel like I am missing something. Does this make sense to anyone? I am sorry, i am not trying to be stupid or a jerk, but this is what has happend to me and I am lost and I don't get it anymore. I feel so mental about this, and i don't know what to do. How do I know he is going to help me when I pray, what if it isn't his will to help me right now, then I am screwed and I have to keep suffering alone, and with this doesnt make sense to me. Enuff whining."
posted at 19:54:26 on April 4, 2007 by skyteamst90
My Prayers    
"Others of us are praying for you. Whether you can feel it now or not, there is great power in people uniting in prayer for a common purpose. Without many prayers offered for me, I would not be writing this and would not be alive today. I have been delivered both from my own rashness and stupidity and from external dangers. There are times that I have felt like no one was listening and my prayers didn't get past the ceiling. I have also been in the position of receiving Satan's guidance while thinking it was the Lord's. When I learned that was what it was, I didn't want ANY kind of answers to prayers for awhile. I am still learning about prayer and how the Spirit speaks to me.

Please forgive me for talking about myself so much, but most of what little I really know about prayer has come through personal experience. I believe what you are saying, and your feelings sound like things I have felt. No, life often doesn't make sense. Sometimes I can look back later and understand it, but there are parts that 20 years later are still not clear to me. But now I know that the Lord is in control, which helps me to trust in Him.

Concerning the "right words", I try to be open and honest, which can be hard, especially when I don't want to do the Lord's will or am confessing that I have strayed again. I also include and try to mean it, "thy will be done", which I have been taught can override anything that I might ask for that isn't the Lord's will. If the answer isn't the one I wanted, it will be the Lord's will and will be the best answer in the long run.

I have spent most of my life doing mental things and feeling little or nothing, except for guilt and loneliness, and sometimes feeling the Spirit. I have rationalized my way out of obeying the Lord's counsel and the guidance of the Holy Ghost many times. But one good thing about being mental is that sometimes when my heart is far from praying or attending Church, or other good things, I have made the choice to do it anyway, no matter how bad I felt, because I believed it was the right thing. Consistency in making those choices has put me in a position where I could feel the Spirit later.

One more experience, and I'll sign off for now. A few years ago I came to a point that I had to forgive someone close to me who had done some things that really hurt me. I knew I had to forgive, and I wanted to forgive, but it hurt so much that I could not forgive. I prayed about it repeatedly for weeks, and some of those prayers seemed to go nowhere. Even with the better prayers, the answer didn't come. One Sunday morning I prayed extra hard without any apparent results, then went to visit an aunt who was home-bound. We listened to the Tabernacle Choir broadcast together. As they sang "Did you plead for grace, my brother, That you might forgive another Who had crossed your way?" ("Did You Think to Pray?" Hymns #140), I started to cry. I wanted to forgive so much, but I still couldn't do it. That afternoon as I walked to Church, the answer finally came, and it seemed perfectly simple and easy. At that point, I just had to make the choice to do it. That doesn't mean that I haven't had to forgive again and again, and many times it is still hard. But I am learning that when anything right is too hard, I can tell Heavenly Father that I want to do it but it is too hard right now, and ask for the ability to do it. Sometimes the answer comes quickly, and sometimes it doesn't. Some lessons for me are that persistence, service to others, and uplifting music all help me to feel the Spirit.

The Lord loves you. It is no accident that you are in the addiction recovery program. In the last year and a half, this program has made a major difference in my life. My addiction started nearly 4 decades ago."
posted at 23:34:42 on April 4, 2007 by J R
Feeling the Spirit...    
"I know when you hear talks about spiritual experiences and answers to prayers and such, you hear people talk about feeling a burning in their bosom, a feeling of some sort, or something tangible that they can say THIS is definitely the Lord speaking to me..... but it doesn't happen like that for all people. It certainly doesn't for me! I was in your shoes not too long ago. Constantly having doubts about my own worth, whether or not the Lord found me important enough to bother with, whether or not anyone would really be affected if I were to suddenly disappear off the face of the earth..... I kept wondering why the Lord wouldn't just stop me from doing stupid things. Why didn't He send help? Why didn't He care??? I went to church every Sunday, I did my calling, I went to the temple.... I did everything I was supposed to, so WHY didn't the Lord make Himself known to me???

I came to realize that I was so caught up in my own self wallowing, that I'd completely missed every single thing the Lord had done for me. Of course He hasn't left us alone! You have to look around and learn to recognize HIS hand in your life. Start small. Start here. How did you come across this site? Do you think it was by accident that you are here? Of course it's not.

There's a story about a guy who is lost at sea, and he's ttreading water. Because he's a faithful man, he prays that the Lord will save him. A fisherman comes by in a boat and tries to help the man, but the man says no, he's waiting for the Lord to save him. Another boat comes, and again, the man turns them away, waiting for the Lord to come. He turns away the third and fourth boats too. Eventually the man loses strength and drowns. When he gets to Heaven, he is so angry, he confronts the Lord and demands to know why He didn't come and save him! The Lord tells the man He tried to save him, but the man would not recognize Him and turned Him away.

Perhaps the Lord is trying to save you, but you are not recognizing Him. I have found that for me, a simple feeling of contentment and peace is how I feel the spirit in my life. Perhaps you can not feel the spirit right now, because it is impossible to feel content and peaceful when your soul is racked with feelings of guilt and sorrow.

To have faith isn't to have a perfect knowledge. To have faith is to have hope. Talk to the Lord, with the hope that He will answer you. Then start looking for HIM. Something I tell my children is that everything that is good and beautiful is a blessing from Heavenly Father. Every single star in the sky, every time the sun rises and sets, every beautiful day..... all blessings from the Lord. Learn to recognize Him. He cannot do it for you.... but He will do it WITH you.... you just have to ask Him.

You are in my prayers."
posted at 04:41:35 on April 5, 2007 by mcr285
Help Is Available    
"I have a persistent thought this morning that may be an answer to your prayers and ours. Depression can seriously affect one's ability to feel the Spirit, and so can the medications used to treat it. I would assume the same for ADHD. If you can't afford to take the medications consistently and are going on and off of them, that can REALLY upset you, mentally and spiritually.

Please forgive me for giving advice, but if you are even thinking about suicide, this is a crisis. I can't hold back if there is any help I can give. If your are having those thoughts (and even if your aren't right now), I strongly recommend contacting your bishop, letting him know what you are thinking and what you know of your ADHD or other conditions, what medications you are taking and how frequently or infrequently and your lack of money to pay for it, and asking for a referral to LDS Family Services for counseling and for assistance in getting the medication you need. I have taken medication for depression at two different times and found it harder to feel the Spirit. The first time it dulled the pain and guilt enough that I didn't care whether I improved. I felt pressured into taking it and didn't give the feedback necessary to adjust the dose. The second time the dose was better, and although I couldn't feel it as strongly as before, I was able to recognize the Lord's influence. I know your bishop may be the last person on earth that you want to see right now, but he is the one who can approve assistance. You have admitted to yourself that you are addicted, and you have a desire to be healed. Please don't let pride keep you from receiving help. I could have received help 8 or 10 years sooner if I hadn't let pride keep me from asking for it. Once you get the medication under control, your counselor can help you to recognize the Lord's answers to your prayers."
posted at 06:48:56 on April 5, 2007 by J R
Elder Scott's Counsel on Feeling the Spirit    
""Lucifer will do all in his power to keep you captive. You are familiar with his strategy. He whispers: “No one will ever know.” “Just one more time.” “You can’t change; you have tried before and failed.” “It’s too late; you’ve gone too far.” Don’t let him discourage you. When you take the path that climbs, that harder path of the Savior, there are rewards along the way. When you do something right, when you resist temptation, when you meet a goal, you will feel very good about it. It is a very different kind of feeling than you have when you violate commandments—an altogether different feeling. It brings a measure of peace and comfort and provides encouragement to press on. "— Richard G. Scott, General Confernce May 1990

I couldn't pass this one up--I hope it is helpful."
posted at 07:09:23 on April 5, 2007 by J R
LDS Family Services    
"I talked to my local LDS Family Services office. They agreed that your bishop is the best source to get financial help for counseling and medication. You can go directly to LDS Family Services (the missionaries in your addiction recovery group can help) if you are able to pay for services. Also, the LDS Family Services office in Chicago should know of other sources of assistance (financial, medical, and counseling, I believe) in your area. Their toll-free number is 1-888-445-5257.

You are in my prayers."
posted at 07:30:29 on April 5, 2007 by J R
Why would Satan make an effort?    
"I understand a bit of how you are feeling. There was a time in my life where I was about 3 stairs and 15 feet from throwing myself in front of a car. I'm not really sure what stopped me to tell you the truth, but I was inconsolable.
Everyone else has had very good input, so I want to keep this short.
The first thought is that it only makes sense for Satan to put out the effort to keep you down if you have the potential to make a serious difference in this world. Otherwise why would he even bother? The fact that you are feeling such oppression is a testimony that you have amazing potential.
When I finally stopped wallowing in my own personal hell and decided that I wanted something different, I came to realize what a strong person I really am. Whether it is true or not, I choose to believe that I have a significant role in this world and that thought keeps me going from day to day. It's personal, this battle with Satan. He says, "You Can't!" I say, "Who are you to tell me what I can and can't do? You're not in charge of me!" Unfortunately for Satan, there is not a Point of No Return for us. We can choose today to come to Christ, no matter how far away we have strayed. I heard someone say once, "I want to live my life, so that when I wake up in the morning, Satan says, 'Oh, no! She's awake.'" You can be a power for good.
As for what to say when you pray. Sometimes I think it's enough to say, "Heavenly Father, You know how I am feeling, you know what I need, please help me." If he'll answer my prayers, he'll answer yours.
BTW: I highly reccommend counseling. I have been going for the last couple months and as silly as this sounds it's the part of my week I most look forward to."
posted at 13:01:27 on April 5, 2007 by andie
Alot of comments    
"wow, i must say so i had to soak this in a bit. Kinda cool that you 'JR' & mrc85' have written something on my behalf. and alos 'andie'. thank you.

i don't know what to say. alot of nice things were said. i am so beat and bent up, like a car in a wreck. torn up and busted beyond repair. i really want to believe in the words you said. i had a lady friend that has said simular things. in the book of alma, talks about having just the desire, and thats all the lord needs. I had a blessing once that said, 'just exercies a little bit of faith and the lord will help'. I thought by going to church, praying, and reading the scriptures, this would help, but only to find myself running back to porn. it was like i am fighting my nature. I have read many of steven cramers books and also the 12 step by harrison. i have studied the book of mormon, and dove into the bible many times. i just wish i could pray. i dont even do it out loud. i am too ashamed. why would he help me. i so badly want to believe my lady friend, i want to believe you guys, but i feel painted in this corner and cant move. my performance at work is suffering.

i pay 1/2 my income in child support and so coming up for meds is tuff. there isn't a whole lot to help me. i make about 36k a year, and thats what they take into acct, how much i gross. there is a thing motel williams did about free or low cost meds, i am looking into that.

you mentioned talking with my bishop, he really isn't my bishop per se because i am not a member, i dont have alot of benifts that i used to. and besides he isn't happy with me as i didnt do what he asked. he wanted me to move back in with my x and serve her for 4 mos. there is more to the story, but too much to try to type out here. he may have been under inspiration, idk. he also yells (raises his voice at me), which i have had a hard time dealing with. he looks like daddy warbucks from the movie annie, and so its intimidating also. I asked for $$$ once before as things were tuff, he said he 'technically' wasnt suppose to help me. so therefore, i don't go to him for $$$ anyways. so what some people have always said, 'go to the bishop' that is what i did, and this is what has happend. i didn't move back in with my x (we are still married), for various reasons. I was willing, but I don't think she was. theres so much to this story, and I just don't want to rehash it. she is done with me anyways. after cheating as much as i did, i wouldnt want me either.

i may try what you have said 'jr' & 'andie' in a prayer. but idk. people talk about love so much and the lord, it so hard. there has been a time in my life that i just said 'screw it' i dont care anymore. i have tried so much and failed. my house is a mess, my life, i am on the verge of loosing my job, this is killing me, kelli is always yelling at cause i forget to do stuff, my cat box has to get changed all the time, the guy at work hates me cause of the mormon stuff, my bills are backed up, my car tranny needs work now (i've never done one, but looks like i will really soon), i got no church friends (cause i pushed em all away, cause i am ashamed of myself & i can't even look them in the eye cause they are more worthy than me.), i am loosing my apt cause I am 2 mos behind, and i almost was going to start hurting myself, cause this doesnt seem like it isn't going to stop, but i spent some time with my oldest kid.

i wish i had hope. i wish praying helped me. sometimes i do just want to stab myself. there just isnt really anything at a hospital can do, accept baby sit me. but that wouldnt be good either, cause i will lose my job for sure, and fall farther behind, which would probably send me over the edge. x doesnt want me back and 'all my problems' cause she has to take care of the kids and her bills etc. there really isn't a win win senerio here. i will offer a prayer, but i dont think it will work. i have messed things up pretty bad.

i have a phone number i can call a crisis number here in town, but it isn't going to make things different, or change or a suit case magically appear on my door step in the morning."
posted at 20:15:37 on April 5, 2007 by skyteamst90
Thanks Andie...    
"I know your comments were meant for SKYTEAMST90, but I needed to hear it too! There is a strength that comes from finally coming to understand who we are and our own divine potential. SKYTEAMST90, don't give up. You're in my prayers."
posted at 20:18:35 on April 5, 2007 by mcr285
thanks mcr285    
"thanks and oh, just so you know, skyteam is a motorcycle brand. google search st90 and thats what i have. its a little mini bike that i ride around. alot of people laugh at me, but they all want one and want a ride.....its funny

but thanks for praying for me...thats really cool that you are all, even tho i don't know, you maybe we'd meet on the other side...and laugh about this then eh?"
posted at 20:37:49 on April 5, 2007 by skyteamst90
one more thing...    
"SKYTEAMS90, I have ADHD and have been on medication for it for several years now. I know how hard it can be to be without it, because I had to quit for the duration of each of my pregnancies and nursing. Anyway, I made some big mistakes during my first pregnancy, but learned from them, and during my second pregnancy, I was better prepared to deal with life off ADHD medicine. One of the most helpful things I did was go for a 30 minute walk every day, and I ate healthy - a lot of green foods. I found that taking that 30 minute walk really helped to clear my head and eating healthy helped keep my body healthy, which in turn, keeps the spirit healthy. I had a much smoother second pregnancy, and recovered a lot faster too.

Point being, if you absolutely cannot get back on your medication, there are other ways to control ADHD. Look up nutritional healing for ADHD. It does work. In fact, if you don't have a chance, or haven't found anything that might help you, within the next few days, let me know (just blog something on the site, I check it nearly every day), and I'll look it up for you. I have some research on nutritional healing I need to look up for my Dad anyway. And to be honest, I have been wanting to cut back on my medication too, so this will be good motivation for me to get that started. SKYTEAMST90, you don't have to be alone in this. Hang in there, and good grief man, PRAY ALREADY!"
posted at 20:43:13 on April 5, 2007 by mcr285
It's funny...    
"but I was actually sitting here, typing out your screenname, and wondering what the heck it meant! It's funny that you wrote that! Maybe we were friends before...... though if we were standing face to face having this conversation, I probably would have smacked you upside the head at least three or four times, and probably would have lectured you about counting your blessings, and oh my gosh, why in the world are we still talking about this when you haven't prayed OUTLOUD yet???? But it's all done out of love. It's pretty much how my big brother and I converse on a regular basis.

Anyway, if it helps, you do have friends here. Sure, some of us live a gazillion miles apart, but so what? We've all been affected by the same big ugly thing. And we can let it tear us apart, or we can find the strength within ourselves to stand up and fight it.

And yeah, I'm done commenting until you come back and say that you PRAYED. Or at least I'm done for tonight...."
posted at 20:54:02 on April 5, 2007 by mcr285
You Can Choose    
"Here's another conference quote that just seems to fit.

"If, through our unrighteous choices, we have lost our footing on that path, we must remember the agency we were given, agency we may choose to exercise again. I speak especially to those overcome by the thick darkness of addiction. If you have fallen into destructive, addictive behaviors, you may feel that you are spiritually in a black hole. As with the real black holes in space, it may seem all but impossible for light to penetrate to where you are. How do you escape? I testify the only way is through the very agency you exercised so valiantly in your premortal life, the agency that the adversary cannot take away without your yielding it to him. "— Robert D. Hales, General Conference, April 2006

Praying is a choice, exercising your agency, and Satan does everything he possibly can to prevent it, because the moment you pray, he loses some of his power over you."
posted at 21:05:18 on April 5, 2007 by J R
My comment    
"Hey sorry for not getting back sooner, a busy night.
MCR285 made the comment, 'maybe we were friends before'...did you mean like in the premortal life?

mcr285 i am also going to look at the alternative med stuff...go idea. i think it may help me also. at least worth a look and a try.

and thanks for saying you have friends here.

I looked on line for a SA class. there is one on and there is one locally here for me, so I am going to attend it tues night and see what happens. hopefully it will bare some good fruit.

'jr' about the bishop and help with the lds fam serv. i am not a member so in some ways i am not able to go through that route. i have been ex'd, and so there are some things i do not get to enjoy. i am thankful that you went ahead and called on my behalf and asked some questions...that was really cool. the thing is the next best thing i can do. also there isnt a fee with them, which will help me out greatly.

'JR' thanks for you posts of church talk quotes, thats really nice. they are always good. i hope they help you as well.

'andie' made a comment to that was nice....
""""The first thought is that it only makes sense for Satan to put out the effort to keep you down if you have the potential to make a serious difference in this world. Otherwise why would he even bother? The fact that you are feeling such oppression is a testimony that you have amazing potential
that goes along with what a general auth said once, something like, "if we could see a portion of what the saviour sees, we would never doubt again." something like that. you know i think why they are always on target with things, is they don't doubt, they passed that test, just like alma or nephi, they didnt don't, they knew who they were and they saw amazing could you have doubt after seeing all that? joseph smith couldn't cause he knew what he saw. i think he was the only person to see god and christ face to fact at the same time...i don't think any one else, has...i could be wrong.

but thank you for your words of encouargement, i will let you know how the class goes on tues.

so i did pray out loud, on the phone tho, i was talking with a friend and she wanted me to pray and i think she was trying to help me, learn how to get the answers to prayers, for a 1st try, i don't think i got it, but she is patient. i wish she could stay longer in my life, but can't. because of where i am at, it will never be. she is so amazing, and she says she knows it now, because of me...

so anyways, i am not feeling that down right now, just tired, so i am going to wrap this up and check my email and go to sleep...
maybe i'll try to pray tomorrow...we'll see"
posted at 23:20:39 on April 6, 2007 by skyteamst90
"Ok, I looked up some stuff about altenative meds...found some cool stuff, i am also going to go to GNC and see what else I can find. If you have any other ideas, please let me know,

thanks again to all who have posted to my notes, thanks, thats been really cool, and those that are praying, thats really special. i will include u in my gratitude prayers...

like I said before, I prayed the other night, it was really hard, as hard as a really hard test at school or something. I didn't want to, I didn't think anything I said mattered, but I did do it. Now maybe I can do it again.

I went to and printed off some of the church talks from conference and have started to read them.

I went to church today for Easter and a couple people said hi, I just felt so bad (like embarressed-bad). One said 'Long time no see' and another said 'Where you been?' I only stay for sacrament and sunday school, then I bolt, like I want to sit in a preisthood meeting with worthy members? ya right. No thanks. I also avoided the bishop, didin't really want to talk with him. His daughter spoke in church today. She looks just like him, its kinda funny.

And thanks to JR. I have copied some of the text and printed some of your words and others on a piece of paper and put in my back pack, that I carry around to work and stuff, so i pull those words out every once and a while, as I get really down and depressed so much. I wouldnt wish what I am going through on anybody, this is a nightmare, only thing is I don't wake up, nightmares end.

I am in a crisis and I don't like it. Last time I talked with someone from church, they called 911 on me, as I said I was going to hurt myself, I almost got a 3 day pass to the hospital, that would have sucked...I would have lost my job. i am on thin ice there as it is. because of that little episode, it cost me money, so I don't call them anymore. My friend linds, was like did you tell him that? and thats not what you wanted? I was like sort of, and well I stopped calling him. So now I have an ambulence bill I cant pay along with another ER visit. This depression crap has cost me now, my Job in the army and over $3k in bills, also a friendship that I cared about. People are like you can get help, but I say you have to have money. I am still searching for other ways to combat this. Well enough whinning

I will post something else this week, if I get a chance. I have to move, as I am loosing my apartment, so i am not sure what all I will be able to talk about as things will be really busy.

ty again"
posted at 20:31:48 on April 8, 2007 by skyteamst90
SA Groups    
"The SA group is a good thing. I attend one occasionally and have found it helpful. Most of the time I attend the LDS Addiction Recovery Program offered through LDS Family Services. You might call the Chicago office and see if they have a group in your area. In Utah they are specialized for SA, drug/alcohol addictions, etc. Even if they are combined, we all deal with common issues, so it could be helpful. Also the workbook is available through It puts the AA 12 steps in a gospel context with scriptures and quotes from general authorities and gives you a chance to internalize and apply them to yourself. There is great strength in being with and sharing with those who are dealing with the same issues."
posted at 21:01:19 on April 8, 2007 by J R

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