Did some of us volunteer to be victims?
By lawrence
2/23/2011 9:40:05 AM
I think this quote is from He Did Deliver Me From Bondage by Colleen Harrison. I added the **italics**.

The following scripture reveals to us that sometimes our suffering is the result of God having to allow other people to have their freedom, even if they choose evil. No one could choose evil if there were not others **willing to risk being their victims**. We need to realize there is a great orchestration going on here in this life, beginning in the premortal realm, with its results still to be seen in the stage of life following mortality.

In the Old Testament, we find one of the most powerful testimonies that God is working in all things, even in uninspired, rebellious, outright wicked things that are done in this world: Now therefore be not grieved, nor angry with yourselves, that ye sold me hither: for God did send me before you to preserve life… And God sent me before you to preserve you a posterity on earth, and to save your lives by a great deliverance. So now it was not you that sent me hither, but God… (Genesis 45:5–8; emphasis added)


great example    
"Thank you for sharing this Lawrence. Last September I read the story of Joseph of old in the Bible as preparation for a Primary Lesson I was going to be teaching. I read those verses you quoted over and over again in awe.

Joseph's brothers plotted to kill him. They settled on selling him as a slave. This is a big time mean, terrible, awful thing to do to one's brother!!! Plotting to kill and enslaving someone has to rank pretty high on a sin scale. I am sure Joseph would have felt the pains of betrayal from those who should have loved and protected him. (Similar to the pain of betrayal I feel).

Joseph was so forgiving! I can't think of a way that he could have been more kind in regards to this offense against him. He could have said something like, "Brothers, you hurt me. You did a horrible thing but I forgive you and love you." That would have been kind! That would have been super, super nice! But Joseph was even more generous. Instead he said, "Brothers, no need to be sorry. You didn't do this to me. God did this to me so that I could save you." I am still in awe at how incredibly gentle and kind Joseph chose to be to his brothers.

Reading that did cause me to wonder... could I possibly think, "Hubster didn't do this to me. God did this to me so that I could save him?"
I determined that I am not that kind, nor that generous. But I so admire Joseph of old. What a wonderful example he left us.

I had forgotten about that. Thank you so much for sharing this Lawerence. I am glad to have had a moment to reflect on this again.

" We need to realize there is a great orchestration going on here in this life, beginning in the premortal realm, with its results still to be seen in the stage of life following mortality."

Something worth thinking about...."
posted at 10:05:24 on February 23, 2011 by katie
"Man, I don't know how I've let this one slip from the ever presence of my mind. What a fantastic scripture! I feel like it gives me license to change my perspective on so many things.

Katie maybe God did this to you so He can save you both"
posted at 11:12:07 on February 23, 2011 by They Speak
Maybe, They Speak?    
"Of course, I want to be clear that I know I can not save my husband or myself. Only Christ can. I'm sure that is what Joseph of old meant too. We can only be instruments or agents for our God.

Perhaps you are right, They Speak? Maybe God did do this to me so He can save us. I have been stretched a lot in this marriage and often pain is required to refine us.

I am not sure though. I lean toward feeling like I made a huge mistake by marrying Hubster. I wasn't good enough. I didn't pray hard enough or listen well enough or I would have been warned to not marry him. I messed up and now I have to pay the consequences. I think sometimes other folks take a risk and get married and they get lucky. They may not have prayed harder but they were more lucky so they don't have to have regrets. It would probably be a relief if I could believe my life was meant to turn out this way. It just seems more like I messed up and now I've got to live with what I've got and go from here.

But I do consider it a possibility that Hubster was part of God's plan for me?"
posted at 12:54:31 on February 23, 2011 by katie
Me, Me, Me :)    
"I'm sorry that I managed to make Lawrence's sweet post about me somehow!"
posted at 12:55:59 on February 23, 2011 by katie
Me too, Katie    
"but it seems appropriate that you would like a post about being a victim ;)"
posted at 17:23:23 on February 23, 2011 by Anonymous
Keep them gloves up anon    
"Katie, I hate Oprah (I'm a closet Oprah watcher) but this was an interesting thought from her show: "true forgiveness is giving up hope that things could have been different". It almost, in an terrible twist of irony, seems like you're lusting after what never was and what you can't have (solders in the sky). Not to call you out. I do feel for you.

On the mistake note: do you wish your kids were different people? Cause if all your fantasies came true they would be. Just a thought. I think your gonna be fine Katie bo batie. Time. 'ts all ya need"
posted at 17:43:53 on February 23, 2011 by They Speak
"Yeah, hubster sounds like a douche bag."
posted at 18:16:22 on February 23, 2011 by Anonymous
"man i love those anonymous posts..."
posted at 22:20:05 on February 23, 2011 by Anonymous
"Why the personal jabs?
Why does he sound like a DB?
Has Katie's descriptions rubbed off on you?

Whats to love about those posts?

I must be missing something here, what's the gig?"
posted at 23:51:35 on February 23, 2011 by ruggaexpat
I'm with Rugga    
posted at 01:35:11 on February 24, 2011 by dstanley
This is just another example    
"Of why I don't like anon posters. They tear people down and then we don't even have a name to tie to the comments. At least when hubster and I had our little scuffle, we were able to apologize to each other.

The other problem with anons is that they post crazy crap about masturbation being approved in different universes."
posted at 10:19:48 on February 24, 2011 by ETTE

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