Personal Information Breach
12/16/2010 1:09:31 PM
I have been blocked from my login so I am posting under BARMs name. Please read:

When BARM created his last post "Men Are Selfish Pigs", he said "bring it on". That was meant to bring on the discussion about the topic.

However, the last long Anon post added to that thread was written with some personal information about my family. There were markers indicating that whoever this Anon person is, they know who we are. This person also posted as an Anon and signed my name to it. It was not me.

Comments were very fun until anons started posting negative stuff about women, signing my name to posts I did not write, referencing my son, and posting information I have never written in this blog to let me know that they know who we are.

I have been very private about my husband's addiction and my very personal feelings. I know of no one who would come on this site and taunt me and my family. The people in my life who know about our issues would never do this.

I have only one idea of who it is and that is the soon to be ex husband of a dear friend. He will not come clean with his addiction and keeps manipulating her with all kinds of lies. He tracks her email, and reads her journals, and I believe he knows about us and found us on this blog. I have been seeing some mean stuff directed at us lately in other anon posts and wondered. If it is who I think, he does not want to take any blame and will not come clean. He attacks and blames. Hmmm, sounds like an addict. She is staying close to the Lord and the more she prays for truth, it comes out in the strangest ways. She is moving forward as he is getting more and more bizarre by the day. Although I cannot be sure, I believe that some of the anon posts are from him. His only hope is to come clean, but he will not. Poor man, he could have so much but he is about to lose it all.

So the digs look funny, but the long anon post was meant as a personal attack. Little bits of personal information only someone I know outside this blog would know.

Therefore, because boundaries have been crossed on this blog in a way to intentionally harm my family, I must now sign off.


I will not be posting for a while or maybe never again. I know that BARM said "bring it on", but he did not mean personal taunts. Those do not help anyone with their healing.

I will make it clear, Dr. Weiss did not heal us. He gave us great tools that we use together with the church's 12 step program. The Savior's Atonement is our healing balm and we are working through our salvation together. This is available to all addicts and their wives. It takes humility, true humility and I am grateful to have that in my home now.

I have come to love my friends here, but Satan has found his way in and my information is no longer private. I will continue to pray for you and keep you on the rolls of the Temple.

Your sister in Christ,

(and BARM)


That's a shame,    
"Angel, I'm sorry to hear you're done with this site. Your wisdom and sweet comments have been an inspiration to me, but I cannot blame you for your decision. I have taken extended breaks from this site because of the harassing anonymous comments. I realize there are actually other people who post positive messages as anonymous users, but these people seem to be few and far between.

I think it's fine for people to disagree with you about Dr. Weiss, but personal attacks are uncalled for and immature. I also think it's ok for people to disagree with each other. I've had my own disagreements with a lot of people on this site, but I don't hold anything against them, especially when they post with a name, and I know for certain who they are. There's just something about posting with a name that makes it easier to forgive a person or cut them some slack. As an example, Rugga, Beclean, and Theyspeak say all sorts of nonsense, but I know who they are, and that makes it ok somehow. Maybe it would be nice if people post anonymously only if they have something nice to say.

I'm sorry that the Anons have driven you from this site, but I completely understand and just want to say thank you for all the help you've given me and the others on this site."
posted at 14:01:06 on December 16, 2010 by ETTE
Oh crap    
"So why does it have to come to this."
posted at 15:32:42 on December 16, 2010 by ruggaexpat
not good    
"But when someoe hides behind an anon post and uses personal info to let them know that he/she knows who they are in real life, that crosses a line."
posted at 15:44:45 on December 16, 2010 by Anonymous
Eeeasy ETTE    
"Non sense!?? How dare you ;)

Dude I'll be honest I don't get uneasy about much...but I was really uncomfortable with that last night. I knew somethin was up. Like, satan silently walked in the room, put his hand on my shoulder and in unspoken words said "yes, that's right." That's why I droped the Jack Handy quote. Just to get my mind off it. I don't know what was really going on. But it was weird. It was just weird! I hated it.

Sorry Angel. We'll catch you on the flip side and if not you can visit me in the telestial kingdom some day."
posted at 15:47:44 on December 16, 2010 by They speak
Sorry everybody    
"It's very unfortunate that people are willing to misuse this site in this manner. I didn't see what happened last night but I'm sorry for the incident. I'm trying to come up with options for encouraging anonymous posters to post civilly and not misuse the site. I suppose as this site grows, misuse by anonymous users will be more likely."
posted at 15:54:31 on December 16, 2010 by derek
I missed out    
"I wish I knew what happened...but I'm not afraid to let it be known that I think anonymous posts are the source of 99% of contention on this site. People hide behind "anonymous" when they feel they HAVE to say something hurtful. Who HAS to say something hurtful? If you can't say something nice, don't say nuthin at all!

So many blog sites/networking sites REQUIRE registration/login to participate. Can't this site turn off anonymous posting? I think it would keep the Spirit stronger. People would think twice before they post, and they would tend to post only in a genuinely helpful spirit. Is it possible to do, Derek? What if we could do it for a trial period--a few months--just to see whether there are any hugely negative consequences or only positive ones?"
posted at 18:21:05 on December 16, 2010 by BeClean
Clipped Wings?    
"Oh I think many will try to clip her wings. But Angel will keep flying. She will soar and spread hope, faith, courage, strength in her angel dust! She will continue to help many, if not on this site elsewhere, with the wisdom of her experiences. We Love You Angel, We love your Family!
WE Give thanks to you and offer our prayers."
posted at 18:41:27 on December 16, 2010 by hero
"I forgot to add my condolences and regrets that we will lose the Angel, BARM, Preemie family. I think I didn't say anything because I'm in denial. This place will not be the same without you."
posted at 19:09:14 on December 16, 2010 by BeClean
I would second Becleans suggestion    
"Valid points"
posted at 19:17:59 on December 16, 2010 by ruggaexpat
Oh by the way Beclean    
"If you missed it, this site today got a bit wack to say the least.
I thought the Angel family were getting a bit crazy. There were some crazy wierd postings from some anons or one anon. One particular was funny to read but twisted somewhat. Filled with sarcasm and sharp humour. Then followed up by a few threads all painting the picture as Angel and her family exchanging stuff. All I can remember now is each post ending with something like oinkey oink oink.
Not sure what the final thing posted was but just a wierd spirit when I was reading. I thought it was Preemie that gave the first funny one but looking back now I think it was this wacko.

Anyway Angel we love you."
posted at 20:41:39 on December 16, 2010 by ruggaexpat
I had a question...    
"I don't live in Utah but Ette made a comment that he knew who rugga, beclean, and theyspeak are. Does this mean literally, like outside of this blog you guys know eachother? Just curious. Sometimes I'm jealous of you people in Utah. Sometimes I'm glad I live away from Utah."
posted at 20:47:28 on December 16, 2010 by Anonymous
how sad    
"I am very sad. I got so much from you guys on this site and feel sad that it is comming to this. But I understand and will pray for you as well for your hapinness to be preserved. This whole thing also makes me feel unsafe. I hoped that we could always respect each other and each other's opinion. What was done was extremely childish, they were mocking something that was beautiful that shows such immaturity. Who ever you are , I hope you apologize for what you did. "
posted at 21:15:07 on December 16, 2010 by crushed
"I have not read it all above me - but i do want to add my sadness to not have Angel's posts or Barm and preemie.

Angel, you've brought great understanding to me in my trials.

Barm - you have taught my husband to start to see how I feel / felt which has brought great healing and perspective.

I am so very saddened by the personal info,... childishness. We all need anonymity to be able to speak freely here and heal.

good luck and my prayers are with you.
posted at 22:41:06 on December 16, 2010 by Anonymous
"I have been in contact with Derek and he has been most helpful. The anon contacted me on my personal email address and I was able to trace back to him. It's nice to have friends who do this stuff.

I now know that his posts were aimed at hurting me and my family. Please know that your posts are safe and that Derek is working on features to better insure privacy.

Thanks so much for all of your love and support. You have all helped me through such a hard time. You really are in my prayers and although I am saddened about my family's deep emotional pain being used by someone who is looking to blame anyone but himself, I have no regrets for sharing with you, especially if it helped anyone on this blog. We feel no shame.

If I can leave a message to anyone who needs to hear it, please be 100% honest with the people who love you. The Lord loves his children and he will always find a way to bring them the truth. It always comes out. Lies hide in darkness. Truth thrives in light. Love thrives in truth.

Men, please cherish and love your wives. You will never regret surrendering yourself to the Lord first and your wives second. What you fear the most is what will set you free.

I am most grateful for the support of my little family. We are breaking generational pain and moving closer to Savior together. Next stop, Me, hubby, and our boys in the Temple, dressed in white, doing the work for a family who have waited a very long time. We are all excited.

Again, Thanks. You will never know what sharing your heart has meant to me.

posted at 02:08:23 on December 17, 2010 by angelmom
On day 38 due to Angelmom and Barm    
"Thank you.. I'm pretty new here but your posts inspired me more then you'll ever know."
posted at 03:43:57 on December 17, 2010 by mangaso
I have no idea of who anyone is here    
"Honestly I would like to keep it that way.
Ette was just using us three as an example of people he thinks talk a bit nonsense now and then. He is right sometimes I just come here to cool down, other times I want to help someone in a similar situation and other times I am wasting my time."
posted at 07:38:28 on December 17, 2010 by ruggaexpat
Rugga's Right.    
"I only know one person on this site in reality, and that person is not Rugga, Beclean, or Theyspeak. I was just trying to say that it's easier to forgive someone with a screen name and a history on this site for saying something out of line than it is to forgive an anonymous poster.

I want to clarify that I think Beclean, Theyspeak, and Rugga have a lot of great things to say, but sometimes they post crazy stuff. I also want to make it clear that I do that as well. Sometimes I waste time here because it keeps me from looking at bad stuff online or on the TV."
posted at 16:09:27 on December 17, 2010 by ETTE
Ok Ette    
"You are now really threatening our close relationship we have built as fellow nonesense producers."
posted at 16:14:59 on December 17, 2010 by ruggaexpat
"I'm just happy I haven't been included in the list of nonsense sayers. That means everything I say must be pure gold!"
posted at 17:31:21 on December 17, 2010 by paul
No Paul    

It really is a select club and and entails a serious voting system to be nominated into the clan.

They speak a whole lot of nonsense in the club and always have one really simple requirement and that is only to to be clean.

All you have to do is convince the chief Sir Ruggamuffin that you can talk the biggest load of bull dust.

Then just walk the talk.

Yes I am wasting time - Good night"
posted at 17:44:41 on December 17, 2010 by ruggaexpat
"Come back Angel. We love you with all our hearts."
posted at 15:34:05 on December 20, 2010 by lawrence

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